Army

[Sonrisa]

Do you think that service is beneficial to young men?

[shheadz]

It was for me.

[Sonrisa]

how old are you now?

[shheadz]

The ripe ol' age of 33.

[Sonrisa]

great, how do you think it was beneficial for you?

[QueenofCorona]

I had a good friend who drank himself out of college around 9/11 and decided to join the Army. He's more of a drunk now after the fact.

However, I do know a few misfit guys from high school who came from families where they couldn't afford college and the guys were the best scholars so its not like they'd be getting any free money for college likely. Some of them have done quite well for themselves, become really good leaders and are doing pretty decent financially.

[Sonrisa]

I had a good friend who drank himself out of college around 9/11 and decided to join the Army. He's more of a drunk now after the fact.

However, I do know a few misfit guys from high school who came from families where they couldn't afford college and the guys were the best scholars so its not like they'd be getting any free money for college likely. Some of them have done quite well for themselves, become really good leaders and are doing pretty decent financially.

so it is beneficial for most?

[Mish]

Do you think that service is beneficial to young men?

I think it depends on the country. Service in compulsory Russian army for example is detrimental to everyone's health. One of my friends served in Australian army reserve though and that was a beneficial experience for him. His life was never threatened, but he did get a lot of discipline out of it and he actually really enjoyed the experience. It can be beneficial if done right.

[Sonrisa]

I think it depends on the country. Service in compulsory Russian army for example is detrimental to everyone's health. One of my friends served in Australian army reserve though and that was a beneficial experience for him. His life was never threatened, but he did get a lot of discipline out of it and he actually really enjoyed the experience. It can be beneficial if done right.

exactly, that was my argument at the Russian forum. they were all saying that Army makes REAL men out of guys, and I was totally against. Russian army can't give nothing to its men.

[QueenofCorona]

so it is beneficial for most?

Depends on what the person wants to get out of the experience. Also obviously what they've seen during their time of service. I think the drunk guy I know had alcohol issues before he was deployed but uses alcohol as a Band Aid for what he's seen and had to do.

[Gigabitch]

This is slightly off the subject, but it still addresses the question.

I think everyone should be required to put in two years of public service after high school. This could be the army, it could be building housing for the poor, it could be something like Fras did in Americorps, but you would have to do it and you would have to live with your fellow public servants and work hard. I think this might really cut down on the asshole behavior so many kids engage in.

I'm pretty sure it would have helped me.

[Sonrisa]

This is slightly off the subject, but it still addresses the question.

I think everyone should be required to put in two years of public service after high school. This could be the army, it could be building housing for the poor, it could be something like Fras did in Americorps, but you would have to do it and you would have to live with your fellow public servants and work hard. I think this might really cut down on the asshole behavior so many kids engage in.

I'm pretty sure it would have helped me.

lol, Giga.

but seriously, being in an army increases your chances of getting killed, traumatized.

for many it's a waste of time since they could be 2 years closer towards achieving their educational goal.

[DoesntMatter]

The real question is... is the Army good for our country?

Anyways, I completely disagree with Giga. Community service is for retired old women and premed whores like me

Young people would be benefiting society more by focusing on their own aspirations. Microsoft and Apple weren't founded as charity organizations, and it is economic development like that which make this country prosperous

[Mish]

exactly, that was my argument at the Russian forum. they were all saying that Army makes REAL men out of guys, and I was totally against. Russian army can't give nothing to its men.

I think it's silly that they said that, perhaps they wanted to be chauvinistic which is not uncommon in that part of the world. Maybe they haven't had their sons tortured by dedovshina, maybe their sons didn't commit suicide due to the appalling condition of the Russian army. Maybe they didn't have any sons to begin with and are just talking out of their ass. You could bring some statistics to shut them up.

[shheadz]

great, how do you think it was beneficial for you?

I can't tell you what you want to hear. Not if you're trying to build up ammo for an argument on a Russian forum. The videos I've seen of Russian recruits being hazed are horrible. In the U.S. (And I'm sure in most countries) you get broken down in bootcamp so they can build you back up stronger and smarter than you were before. That doesn't seem to be the case in the Russian army, where the young kids are treated like shit from the beginning, and that never stops.