boyfriend's ego

[IndiReloaded]

Yes, that's right.

[valhensing]

how is it that people get headhunted!!

[BoredGeorge]

You might think this but typically, no, this is not how it works. Most middle managers are not executive material. Most execs are recruited or come on as consultants who then decide to take on a more permanent role in the company.

Everyone needs to start somewhere.... those consultants usually do not appear as consultants straight out of university.

By the way the executive level applies to such a small percentage of the population it is not even worth considering in my opinion.

Most middle managers probably are not truly executive material .. but that does not mean you need to be most middle managers nor does it suggest that the success of a persons life needs to be measured by their ability to become an executive. Middle management does still pay exceedingly well.

The actual point is you are better off being in admin/support or middle management over working for close to minimum wage or being a labourer because all of the chicks get given the jobs. And you'll get pay rises. Labourers don't.

[IndiReloaded]

Executives are commonly listed in various business publications. Forbes has an entire database of 'whos who'. The local paper will also have a business section that lists appointees to new positions. You can submit your CV to headhunter firms, usually once a year to stay in the game. You never know what pings, tho usually that comes from networking.

[BoredGeorge]

In any case, it is still not fair that the girls get all the jobs, whether or not there are more male executives because to someone at the start of their career executive positions are irrelevant.

[IndiReloaded]

Everyone needs to start somewhere.... those consultants usually do not appear as consultants straight out of university.

True. I thought that was obvious.

Most middle managers probably are not truly executive material .. but that does not mean you need to be most middle managers nor does it suggest that the success of a persons life needs to be measured by their ability to become an executive. Middle management does still pay exceedingly well.

I agree. And a general needs good officers, or nothing gets done.

The actual point is you are better off being in admin/support or middle management over working for close to minimum wage or being a labourer because all of the chicks get given the jobs. And you'll get pay rises. Labourers don't.

If you are straight admin, then you are right. Its not hard to type and push papers around (tho, ask for some reasonable judgment in the mix and its still surprising hard to find good help). But for a guy, the solution is simple: combine business with a technical skill. Or multiple languages. If you are reasonably intelligent and personable, you are pretty much set w/that combination.

[BoredGeorge]

But for a guy, the solution is simple: combine business with a technical skill.

Which is discriminatory from the start. To be a successful male you must be technical. To be a successful female you can be either technical or non-technical. I think that is the obvious trend.

The question is to what extent is this division of labor justified ?

[BoredGeorge]

Even technical skills are not going to guarantee you a job, the world is full of useless recent graduates from engineering and computer science courses.

[IndiReloaded]

I don't know any unemployed engineers... Note I said the combination was important. Tech or science ppl living down in their silos not communicating with anyone are of limited use to a business.

I was just suggesting that men tend to be more apt for technical work, so exploit it. George, do you know I would hire a male assistant over a female one 9/10 times? That should reassure you.

[BoredGeorge]

I don't know any unemployed engineers...

Note I said the combination was important. Tech or science ppl living down in their silos not communicating with anyone are of limited use to a business.

A recent graduate is not yet an engineer.

[IndiReloaded]

Its not hard to get an apprenticeship for the two years you need for your PEng.

[BoredGeorge]

Its not hard to get an apprenticeship for the two years you need for your PEng.

I know recent graduates.. they are having trouble finding jobs. Back in baby boomer land engineering degree = set for life. These days, not the case.

[IndiReloaded]

I just looked up jobs at CSIRO where you are and found several jobs. They might have to relocated, but that's common when you first graduate. We moved too. Shrug.

[url]https://recruitment.csiro.au/asp/job_list.asp[/url]

[IndiReloaded]

Here's a few more. Mish, you might want to have a look also:

[url]https://recruitment.csiro.au/asp/job_list.asp[/url]

[valhensing]

In any case, it is still not fair that the girls get all the jobs, whether or not there are more male executives because to someone at the start of their career executive positions are irrelevant.

I have to say, if i were my boss, i wouldnt take in another person just to have a female worker.

Let's be fair bg, in technical field, people tend to not hire female. At least, not for a coding position