lingerie and underwear

[Jbleezyj]

matching panties and a bra or a thong is nice also

[miSSleepy]

Most people I know or have known that claim they don't wear heels, 'sexy' clothes and figure-showing clothing, were in fact not very confident about themselves. Some of them, sadly, had good reason not to be confident. But instead of saying "I don't wear that because it just doesn't look good on me" it's always "I don't want to look like a slut, and besides, it's uncomfortable".

[Gribble]

I can attest that Moonchild is quite the attractive young lady and, unlike some women, she doesn't have to resort to exposing her body to get attention.

The most confident women I know don't wear skimpy outfits. They dress professionally, carry themselves with dignity, and rely on stellar personalities and intelligence rather than skin to attract men. They're also infinitely more desirable than the barely dressed little girls who wander around my campus using their tits to attract mates.

That said, there's nothing wrong with wearing something special for your man now and then. Or for yourself. Personally, I'm not a fan of the really frilly stuff. A nice bra and panties in an interesting color will drive me up a wall. I'm especially fond of blond women in black underwear. Heels do nothing for me. I never notice footwear. She could be wearing bunny slippers for all I care.

[Michael6084]

i'm not going to quote it, but Moonchild, you must realize that if a guy likes you, it is not only because of your personality. let's be real here. i'm a personality kind of guy myself and no matter how hot a girl is, i can't take it if their personality sucks to be honest.

"If I disliked my body, I'd be on a diet. I'm not. I'm really quite happy with how I look, thank you. Just because I don't want every man and his grandfather to get a free topless shot if I bend over doesn't mean I'm lacking self-confidence."

dressing in a provocative way doesn't mean that it's being slutty. the models who pose for Victoria's Secret steam sexyness, but in a classy way, unlike car models which look slutty.

i don't know how this got into a personal attack, but you have to understand that most guys, if not all, are taken by sexyness no doubt. the idea of liking you for you is great by all means because there are too many girls whose personalities are only skin-deep. i think if you find the right guy though, it's okay to dress in a provocative way for the sake of the guy. you aren't "becoming lower" or becoming a "slut". guys have much more work to do to get a girl off then girls to guys, generally speaking. the least you could do for the bf or whatever one you have is to dress sexy in exchange for his work.

as a side note, i always liked my impressing my friends about whichever girl i'm with and be like "yeah, she's my girl." don't take this as "advertisement" and stuff, i simply like doing this because i'm usually proud of the girl i'm with. as i said before though, i can't take a girl based on looks by all means. i have to have a girl with personality, otherwise i can't hit it off.

i just hope you take this as constructive. i don't why Scorp made this into a personal attack, but there is some truth to it.

[Gribble]

i don't why Scorp made this into a personal attack...

I'd say because he's an insensitive asshole wholly lacking in empathy and common sense. But that's just me.

[GrkScorp]

I'd say because he's an insensitive asshole wholly lacking in empathy and common sense. But that's just me.

look, if I hear a woman who's open-minded and objective.. then yes.. i'll be very sensitive.. but when I hear close-minded crap like that.. I have no choice but to be insensitive and take on the role of the bad cop.. it's part of the learning process..

truth be told.. initial attraction (which is something that should concern single women) takes place at a visual level..

a man will walk into a room.. look around.. and in less than 5 seconds a switch will either click on or stay off.. that's how male attraction works.. (she's hot, she's not).. period..

once that happens.. the man will be compelled to go over and start conversation.. (it's at this point where personality matters, but it has NOTHING to do with what you're wearing).. the way your personality comes off will have nothing to do with what you're wearing..

so, at this point the guy will think to himself (she's hot, but she's shallow.. am I really that desperate? (if yes, continue, bang her and leave) if no, say "well, it's been nice talking to you.. blah blah.. i'll see you around bye") OR, (she's hot, AND she has an amazing personality.. it's a done deal.. keep talking)..

why is this the way things happen.. because it's natural selection.. nature doesn't want alpha-males mating with unattractive women (and vice verca).. so, the very first step that takes place in male attraction is (assessment of appearance).. it's very short-lived, happens very fast.. and you're either hot, or you're not.. and what you wear can make or break your chances of attracting that alpha-male.. (your personality can too, but you can have a stellar personality, and that alpha-male will NEVER be compelled to walk up to you)..

you don't hear guys at the club saying.. "man, I just herd this girl over there talking to her friends about Augusti Rodin's famous sculpture "Hand of God" and how she has a replica at home that she's put in her kitchen as she cooks; and she loves (insert genre here) music, blah blah.. she's saved children in africa, helps older people at the hospital on weekends, etc.. I have to go talk to her.."

it's more than likely the following is what you'll hear.. "man, check her out.. damn! I know.. I have to go talk to her.." (rather simple? yeah, it's caz they're guys, and that's how the game works).. it doesn't mean they're shallow.. that's just how attraction happens for guys.. it only means he's shallow if you're shallow and he still follows through..

[Moonchild]

i'm a personality kind of guy myself and no matter how hot a girl is, i can't take it if their personality sucks to be honest.

I rather like my personality, and a number of other people tend to as well. XD I just don't like relying entirely on my looks, you know?

dressing in a provocative way doesn't mean that it's being slutty. the models who pose for Victoria's Secret steam sexyness, but in a classy way, unlike car models which look slutty.

My definition of slutty is making a point of your body in a manner that screams "SEX." Point being, models make a living out of not having to be themselves. They're told what to wear and how to pose, but they're all the same, in the end, in the same way that all car models are the same, and all porn stars are the same. Outside of the job, they're individuals, but that's not what we see. We see the sex-filled side of it, and that's not what I want.

but you have to understand that most guys, if not all, are taken by sexyness no doubt.

I'll repeat: if a guy puts sex before personality, I don't want him. And if all guys take that as so much of a factor that none of them want me (which I doubt, given my record with boyfriends), then I'll just have to get involved with women, won't I? I don't have a preference.

EDIT: Scorp, for the last time, I do not dress like your grandmother. I look good without wearing a sock as a shirt, that's all. If you think nothing other than the sock is sexy, so be it. I don't want you anyway.

[miSSleepy]

My definition of slutty is making a point of your body in a manner that screams "SEX."

Sex the action, or sex the essence?
You can still scream SEX and not be slutty. To me, slutty is OTT skin exposure or an attitude that shows they're willing to jump into bed with anyone. It's mostly about attitude anyway.

I'll repeat: if a guy puts sex before personality, I don't want him.

The initial attraction usually being based on physical attraction doesn't mean he puts sex before you. At that moment he doesn't KNOW you, so something about you physically has to pique his interest. And not all guys will only get attracted initially by skin and sexy clothes. You can wear jeans and a t-shirt or a hoodie and still attract someone if they like your attitude and the way you carry yourself or just generally like your appearance.

EDIT: Scorp, for the last time, I do not dress like your grandmother. I look good without wearing a sock as a shirt, that's all. If you think nothing other than the sock is sexy, so be it. I don't want you anyway.

Look, Scorp thinks just because he knows himself that he knows everyone. He's a self proclaimed expert on human sexuality and behaviour.

[Moonchild]

You can wear jeans and a t-shirt or a hoodie and still attract someone if they like your attitude and the way you carry yourself or just generally like your appearance.

That's what I rely on, right there.

Look, Scorp thinks just because he knows himself that he knows everyone. He's a self proclaimed expert on human sexuality and behaviour.

XD I realize that. But as I've said elsewhere, I can be very childish and defensive. I can't just let it go; it's not quite like me. =) If I /can/ make a somewhat intelligent response, I will certainly put in the effort to give it a go.

[GrkScorp]

Look, Scorp thinks just because he knows himself that he knows everyone. He's a self proclaimed expert on human sexuality and behaviour.

really? when did I ever call myself an expert..? or anyone for that matter.. I give the same advice you all give here.. if you don't want to listen to it don't.. but don't make stuff up out of thin air about this self-proclaimed nonsense..

I always stress to follow your own opinion.. and that in the end, you're free to choose the path you want to take.. it's advice.. i'm not G-D, telling you what to do.. nor have I proclaimed that i'm some sort of expert.. it's not like I have a degree in this stuff.. just regular life experience.. and I think that's been made quite clear.. and nothing i've said can lead anyone to believe or conclude what you've concluded about self-proclaimed specialization..

[Charlie Boy II]

Scorp maybe your posts wouldn't attract such a universally negative response if you introduced phrases like "in my opinion," or "in my experience," or "I think" into your vocabulary.

[miSSleepy]

really? when did I ever call myself an expert..? or anyone for that matter.. I give the same advice you all give here.. if you don't want to listen to it don't.. but don't make stuff up out of thin air about this self-proclaimed nonsense..

You don't have to verbally announce it...it's obvious you think it. You even decided to pop in the fact that you're a law grad, as if that explains anything.
You grossly overgenerlise, you imply that you know more about women than women do and of course you know loads about the men too - but if the men disagree, then they just don't know enough about themselves. And if someone says something you think is stupid, then you will refer to the inadequacy of women, even if the topic has nothing to do with women. Frankly, you come off as an arrogant, pompous jackass

.. and nothing i've said can lead anyone to believe or conclude what you've concluded about self-proclaimed specialization..

Am i really the only one here who has concluded this?



PS. hey Moonchild, you're not the only one here who reacts, childishly.

[Mish]

I can attest that Moonchild is quite the attractive young lady and, unlike some women, she doesn't have to resort to exposing her body to get attention.

The most confident women I know don't wear skimpy outfits. They dress professionally, carry themselves with dignity, and rely on stellar personalities and intelligence rather than skin to attract men. They're also infinitely more desirable than the barely dressed little girls who wander around my campus using their tits to attract mates.

I whole heartedly agree with that.

[GrkScorp]

You even decided to pop in the fact that you're a law grad, as if that explains anything.

you imply that you know more about women than women do and of course you know loads about the men too - but if the men disagree, then they just don't know enough about themselves. And if someone says something you think is stupid, then you will refer to the inadequacy of women, even if the topic has nothing to do with women. Frankly, you come off as an arrogant, pompous jackass

1. saying that, just shows me that you don't read carefully.. so I have reason to strongly question the credibility of all statements that follow after that.. I'm still in law school.. and the point was brought up on the Financial Help thread for legal questions anyone may have.. and when I talk about shallow women or conversational topics and how some of my friends can only talk about that.. and how that's not at all a good topic to talk about with woman.. (so you're taking what I say out of context, AND grossly twisting what I actually say.. which is fine, because your last statement shows me that you obviously hate me with a passion.. I don't know why, I don't feel the same about you, but again, i'm sure you have a reason for it..)

2. it's hard to argue that I implied or didn't imply this; but as far as I can recall, nothing i've said (as a guy) can lead a reasonable person to believe that I (as a guy) could or would ever know more about women than women do.

3. again.. if someone says something stupid.. when and how or why did I or would I ever refer to the inadequacy of women? both sexes have their good and bad traits relative to the other.. sure, but I don't think i've ever go as far as to needlessly and pointlessly bring up the inadequacies of women.. I wouldn't even know where to start if I wanted to (not to suggest that there are so many.. but because I haven't even given it much thought).. I don't think there has been one instance of this... where someone has said something I think is stupid.. and totally unrelated to the topic.. I say something bad about women?!?!?

It's pretty clear you have some very strong negative feelings towards me, which is fine.. i'm sure you have good reason for feeling this way.. anger clouds judgement, and as noted in item (1), clouds the accuracy of content you read.. so you can read one thing and understand something completely different.. make and see implications you WANT to see.. etc..

but like I said.. you must have good reason.. and whatever that reason is.. I really am sorry.. It's not my intention to come on this forum to try and insult people or make anyone feel bad.. I think we all have better things to do with our time.. I'm only here to offer no-nonsense, constructive advice and to try and help people with serious questions and problems.. so, in that respect.. I truly am very sorry if I made you feel upset or bad about yourself or anything negative for that matter.. I hope we can put this aside and start being more synergetic..

[miSSleepy]

1. saying that, just shows me that you don't read carefully.. so I have reason to strongly question the credibility of all statements that follow after that..

Sorry ... I'm a woman.

I'm still in law school.. and the point was brought up on the Financial Help thread for legal questions anyone may have..

That's not where I saw it - I never even opened that thread.

and when I talk about shallow women or conversational topics and how some of my friends can only talk about that.. and how that's not at all a good topic to talk about with woman..

I don't think Tiay will agree with that, and I don't think that's entirely true for the Wanker thread where you accused everyone of being threatened by you - by referring to how women react to other women.

(so you're taking what I say out of context, AND grossly twisting what I actually say.. which is fine, because your last statement shows me that you obviously hate me with a passion.. I don't know why, I don't feel the same about you, but again, i'm sure you have a reason for it..)

No I don't hate you with a passion. I found some of your earlier posts very informative, I'm just getting sick of your recent attitude.

2. it's hard to argue that I implied or didn't imply this; but as far as I can recall, nothing i've said (as a guy) can lead a reasonable person to believe that I (as a guy) could or would ever know more about women than women do.

O no, it's the reasonable person test . Well a reasonable person is defined as a person of normal intelligence who possesses the skills a person of same position and intellect is expected to possess. Therefore, I am a reasonable person, legally speaking.

It's pretty clear you have some very strong negative feelings towards me, which is fine.. i'm sure you have good reason for feeling this way.. anger clouds judgement, and as noted in item (1), clouds the accuracy of content you read.. so you can read one thing and understand something completely different.. make and see implications you WANT to see.. etc..

That would imply I saw angry before i started reading and biased against you without any reason at all. But the 'anger' started after, so I don't think much was clouded.

but like I said.. you must have good reason.. and whatever that reason is.. I really am sorry.. It's not my intention to come on this forum to try and insult people or make anyone feel bad.. I think we all have better things to do with our time.. I'm only here to offer no-nonsense, constructive advice and to try and help people with serious questions and problems.. so, in that respect.. I truly am very sorry if I made you feel upset or bad about yourself or anything negative for that matter.. I hope we can put this aside and start being more synergetic..

You're doing it again, intentionally or not. What makes you think you have the power to make me feel bad about myself? Do you really believe I'm so insecure that some forum member's comments will make me feel bad about myself? Give me some credit here. And your apologies come off as very patronising.

Yes, put it behind us and continue with the constructive advice - just please realise that your experiences are not everyone elses and that not everyone is like you and not every woman is like the women you have known.