hypnotic dating.

[vashti]

If you want to put someone in a trance, sombra, have them read Grk's posts. I can't get past the first paragraph or two without my eyes glazing over.

[Mish]

When I read Scorp's posts all I see is lessons. Good lessons. I sometimes remember myself in exact same situations and almost kick myself, damn it! that's exactly what I should've said back then to keep the conversation going. Damn it, that's exactly what I should've done to keep her interest. Why didn't I do this? It would've been so easy. His posts are a wealth of examples of things to try when you're out there, especially when you're stuck and don't know which way to go.

Although Scorp's posts are ginormous (An attempt to overload our conscious minds to put us in a trance no doubt!) there is a lot of useful information in them which (The most important bit) actually works.

[vashti]

...true, it only seems to have the dissociation effect on women...

Maybe this explains his self-proclaimed success with women?

[Mish]

The things I know that do work, is when I talk to girls (especially the ones who like to travel) about their experiences. The sights they've seen, the views, how it made them feel. Was it a sea of green? What did it feel like? Did you hear this wonderful mix of sounds, the birds, the voices of nature? Did you feel like you were one with it? It must have felt so good standing there taking all of this in. I can see them relive this experience there with me. They're not talking to me anymore, they're standing with me looking at these amazing sights and views, they're describing how it felt like, but bascially they are describing how it feels right now with me.

Later on I get phone call. "I just saw this amazing view and it reminded me of you".

Straight out of Scorp's pages

[misombra]

wow. i'm going to try this. i'll let you know how it works...

[GrkScorp]

(An attempt to overload our conscious minds to put us in a trance no doubt!)

Haha..

Well, at least that's the case with "Inner Game", or when a girl posts about not having sex with her bf yet, and after my post, she "just happens" to give him a handjob.. oops

[PussyCatDoll]

in high school, one girl in my class performed 'black magic' on another.the girl it was being done to had her eyes closed and was in a trance and the other made a winding motion and the trance girls' arms started moving around. it was really werid. i don't believe in this type of stuff. i think if you beleive it then you create it.

[GrkScorp]

wow. i'm going to try this. i'll let you know how it works...

I bit my tongue today really hard as I was chewing gum, it still hurts a bit.. but strangely enough, when it was sore, I thought back to when you mentioned something about holding some guy's balls until they agreed to something.. something along those lines.. and at that moment I was thinking, you know what, mis is really interested in this stuff.. I think she needs one last thing, something special..

So, this post is for you mis.. just for you, and only for you.. as you're reading this, I want you to know, that nobody else reading this post will experience it in the same way you are, nobody will feel the same things you feel.. and hopefully towards the end of the post, you'll start to notice on your own, exactly why that is.. the point of this post is not to hypnotize you, though I can't promise the same for anyone else reading.. but it's to point out elements and concepts that you should have in mind..

Now, before you go ahead and keep reading, you may want to turn off your phone, or close the t.v., or just the door, or perhaps just sit there, and not even allow anything to bother you.. whenever you think you're ready.. just try and think about how it would be if I would be next to you, talking to you.. that as you're sitting there reading these words with your eyes, in front of your screen, as you're sitting down now and doing this, you would have me next to you, speaking to you, hearing my voice, hearing me say these words with my voice.. now, you don't know what I sound like, but i'm sure you can probably imagine something close enough.. not just how it would sound like, but the rhythm and pace, it's all up to you.. You don't have to hear my voice as you're reading this.. only when you find it more useful to.. whenever you don't want to, you don't have to hear my voice as you're reading..

That's the most important part about eliciting those feelings and states in someone.. listening to them.. It's not some race against time.. there's no competition.. there is no clock ticking.. there's no rush to get them into trance.. you can take all the time in the world.. and allow for trance to happen, naturally.. the less you try, the more progress you'll make.. you are just the medium, the road, the map that will guide that person into trance.. you have no control over them.. they have control.. they are in total control.. which is why it's important to feel how they're feeling.. and guide those feelings, to lead them exactly where you want them to be.. by making them feel that that's exactly where they want to be..

You can start by just talking.. the way we're talking right now.. and they don't have to talk back.. they can just sit there.. and as you sit there, you don't have to do anything, you don't even have to listen, you can be completely distracted, not focused on anything, don't try and focus on anything really, not even how your eyes feel now, or your breathing, much deeper than that, you can choose when you want to be in total control of these things, you don't have to be aware of any of that.. you don't have to really pay any attention to any of the details of what is being said.. you can just hear.. and as you're sitting there hearing me talk.. try and notice, that this person talking, is you.. and while the person you're talking to may change, the person who is talking will always be you.. and will be the same person listening.. and while what you're saying, or what you're listening to might not make much sense, your mind will put it all together, will make sense, of what didn't.. will allow you to feel.. that sense of absolute control, but total lack of control all at the same time.. and the more you start to wonder what's going on, what has already been going on, the more you'll notice that feeling.. inside of you, that feeling is unique, but if you never feel it as you're listening.. then you'll never feel it as you're speaking.. and it's a great feeling, a refreshing feeling, a numb feeling, an empty feeling, and a full feeling, a mild feeling, yet powerful, comfortable and relaxed, yet intense and full on mystery, unknown and familiar, all at the same time.. and before you can create these feelings, these emotions, these thoughts.. as you guide your listener through that journey.. think about what it really means to be the listener.. and what it means exactly, to be the speaker.. and before you start to understand more about which role you're taking in between those two.. take as much time as you need to open and close your eyes and re-orient yourself, now

You can feel free to go back and forth; as may times as you need to, and notice for yourself, as many elements of trance induction as you want.. and when you find some that you like, you can feel free to use them.. but it's a good habit to get into getting a feel of what induction is.. how it works.. and try and come up with ones of your own.. and as you start to see it and feel it for the natural process that it is.. you'll notice yourself getting better and better at it.. and more importantly, have much more success with the people you chose to use this new skill of yours on..

Oh, and one more thing, please, stop hearing my voice when you read things from now on, that's not how I really sound you know..

Best,

GrkScorp

[Mish]

so while i was watching those vids gskorp posted for me, i ran into this guy...

thought he had some good advice. he certainly made me understand the fears that guys have (not in that vid i just posted in others of his) about talking to girls.

he claims the fear is:

20%- if you mess with the wrong girl, her clan will have you killed. (based on evolutionary theory.)

80%- if you mess up with a girl, she's gonna go tell all the other girls that might have been available for you and she's gonna blow your chances.

interesting.

That is interesting

Though I think a lot of it is to do with experience. When you think about it. A guy who doesn't have a lot of experience with women, how is he to know when it's appropriate to approach? What's appropriate to say? What are the right things to say? When can he touch her? When can he lead her away? He knows what the end result should be, but he just doesn't know how to get there. This creates fear. What if I do something wrong? What if she doesn't like me? Wait, she doesn't look like somone who'd go for me, ahh, this is too much, I can't take this anymore, so much easier to just not do anything, wait she's coming, hopefully she's not looking this way, hopefully she'll just ignore me. And that's exactly what happens.

Guys with experience don't worry about things like that. For example when I approach I know if I do or say this she will smile, if I do or say that she will laugh, any girl will, she will act in this way and if she doesn't she's just being weird, I can make her feel weird because this is how she's behaving. For someone with experience this is like washing your hands, you know what leads where, you know which way to go. And if it doesn't work, if you stumble, run out of things to do or say, big Woop! It was a good learning experience. I will analyze it inside my head and develop a solution for next time which will work. It's just another case of trial and error. It's just another experience. I'm motivated even by rejection, it gives me reasons to do more. To experiment. To play.

[GrkScorp]

I will analyze it inside my head and develop a solution for next time which will work. It's just another case of trial and error. It's just another experience. I'm motivated even by rejection, it gives me reasons to do more. To experiment. To play.

AND, what you touched on, is calibration.. getting an instinctive feel for how someone is feeling, being able to predict their reaction, so well that in fact you're confident and sure of the outcome..

What Ross Jeffries did is impressive, because it almost looks like he skipped over comfort, and is RUSHING through his induction.. but the point is to NOT rush.. to take your time with that person, calibrate, and feel how they're feeling.. and guide them accordingly.. because at the end of the day, you're just talking, using words.. not some magic power.. the magic is entierly within the other person, and what they find most beneficial in terms of what they want to feel and where they want to take their emotions..

You can think of it like playing on so many different levels of a person, ego, pride, self-image, desire, needs, wants, insecurity, fantasy, etc.. And although not a book on hypnosis, an excellent read is "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene.. It was one of the recommended readings in a negotiations class, and really, through negotiations is where you really start to see this stuff more clearly..

Law 3 (Conceal your intentions)

- Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. If they have no clue what you are up to, they cannot prepare a defense. Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late.

(You can see this in the game of Chess, and during legal argument, negotiations, i'm sure you've seen this in action with a certain someone in this forum, but it also applies to hypnosis.. which is why comfort and trust are so important.. but in friendly/mild/casual/light hypnosis, it's not so much about letting people dig themselves deeper into a hole they can't get out of.. it's not about exposing weakness or insecurity or motives.. it's about allowing the other person to fully enjoy where your words are taking them, without feeling like you are trying to pull a fast one of them in some way, because really, you're not.. You're just allowing them to enjoy the emotions, feelings and thoughts you're allowing them to think they want to enjoy)

Law 8 (Make other people come to you - Use bait if necessary)

- When you force the other person to act, you are the one in control. It is always better to make your opponents come to you, abandoning his/her own plans in the process. Lure him/her with fabulous gains, then attack. You hold the cards

(This again applies to the concept of appealing to ego, needs, wants, insecurities, fantasy, desire, pride, and self-image.. people are very puppet-like, you just need to know what strings to pull)

Law 29 (Plan all the way to the end)

- The ending is everything. Plan all the way to it, taking into account all the possible consequences and obstacles that might reverse your hard work.

Law 31 (Control the opinions: Get others to play with the cards you deal)

- The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets.

Law 33 (Discover each man's thumbscrew)

- Everyone has a weakness, a gap in the castle wall. That weakness is usually an insecurity, an uncontrollable emotion or need; or a secret pleasure. Once found, it's a tumbscrew you can turn to your advantage.

Law 39 (Stir up waters to catch fish)

- Anger and emotion are strategically counterproductive. You must always stay calm and objective. But if you can make your enemies angry while staying calm yourself, you gain a decided advantage.

(People do and say stupid things when angry or emotional. They dig a deeper hole for themselves, and reveal to the rest of the world, aswell as themselves, their true colors and deepest insecurities and motives.. very useful in deeper levels of hypnosis, couple this with a sense of trust, comfort, acceptance, and understanding.. and you'll create a powerful feeling of emotional connection)

Law 47 (Do not go past the mark you aimed for; In victory, learn when to stop)

- The moment of victory is often the moment of greatest peril. In the heat of victory, arrogance can push you past the goal you had aimed for. Do not allow success to go to your head. There is no substitute for strategy and careful planning. Set a goal, and when you reach it, stop.

(It's possible to go too far, or even destroy everything you worked so hard to get to.. So when you get a desired reaction, don't push further, stop, rest, take it easy, and start again shortly after if your new goal is to now push further)

[GrkScorp]

wow. i'm going to try this. i'll let you know how it works...

Crap, I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner..

There's a fun & playful hypnotic trick I use on people, (yes, mostly girls in my case), that incorporates all of these elements of hypnosis and mental magic.. It's fairly quick (under 10minutes) and works much better in groups (although, i've used it 1-to-1 in a noisy environment before and it still worked)

It's my little baby, and although it's simple, and won't get you too far in terms of (attraction, numbers, kissing, dating, sex, etc) that's ok.. because that's not the point.. The point is for it to just be fun..

(The Rubber-band trick)

- Purpose: It's a fun & playful DHV, and it's also interactive, which means it builds comfort & trust, puts people at ease, and breaks for first initial contact, allows for more kino throughout the trick.. and it builds compliance, increasing the person's compliance threashold.. It's also a (PD/neg) because it makes the other person feel slightly dumb, fooled, used, tricked.. but remember, it's playful & fun, so the rest is all excused and overlooked..

- You will need: (Nothing) Seriously, you just need your own hands, and the attention and compliance of the other person..

You: Have you ever cried or been scared when watching a movie? Like a sad or scarry movie?

Them: (Yes/No; most likely a "no" with guys, but it doesn't matter)

You: (If "yes") So, even though you knew that those were just actors, you felt those feelings and emotions is if they were real.. that just means you have a really good imagination, so you're naturally able to connect yourself to situation a little deeper than most other people, that's a good thing.. (If it's a highly emotional girl, let her do some venting about her personal life/drama, and then proceed with the trick)

You: (If "no") Really? I mean, it doesn't have to be crying, but you mean that you've never even felt sad or happy, or excited or angry, during a movie? (if you can't get them back to a "yes" frame, continue with the "no" frame) That's interesting, because (girls are supposed to be more creative, guys are supposed to be more visual; pick which one applies), but that just means you're more in control of your imagination than most people, that's good.. People like that can focus on things much better and easily..

You: I want to show you something silly, I think you'll probably like it, we'll see.. but, before we start, make sure your hands are empty and not tense or anything, and if you want to adjust the way you're sitting to feel more comfortable, you can do that if you want..

Them: (does stuff, says ok, blah blah)

You: O.K. (open your hands, palms facing them, and act this out accordingly), so, my hands are empty.. right? but! Let's pretend.., there's an imaginary rubber band (strech it out, it's about showmanship).. and sure you can't see it, but you can feel it.., and it's a brand new fresh imaginary rubber band.., nice and strechy.., but if you want, you can give it a color.., don't tell me what color.., keep that to yourself.., until the end.., you can think about it, but don't say it out loud or tell me..

Them: (ok..)

You: Now, put your hands out.., just like that.., good., and take the rubber band.. but before you take it.., make sure you don't drop it.., it's a b*tch to find it if you drop it.., ok.. (give the rubber band to the other person).. now, play with it as much as you like, until you think you have a good feel for it, how strechy it is.. take as much time as you want.. and just nod your head when you think you have a good feel for it..

Then: (nod)

You: Ok, so, now.. as you're holding the rubber band, i'm going to start streching it with one hand, and it's your job to tell me when to stop, and make sure it doesn't break.. You have to tell me when to stop.. I don't want it to snap and hit me in the eyes or face or something.. or even just my hands, it's not a nice feeling.. it really hurts.. so make sure you tell me when to stop streching.. ok?

You: (Start streching until they tell you to stop).. Ok.., now let's strech it back.. and you can give it to back to me.. don't drop it.. there you go.. good.. (play with the rubber band), hey.. what do you know.. it's still strechy.. (now, quickly & unexpectedly, strech it in such a way, that it looks like you're about to flig the rubber band towards their face, and with the hand that's holding the back of the rubber band, open your fingers to imply that you're letting it go; let it happen naturally)

Them: (Flinch)

You: (Smile) Why did you flinch? It's just an imaginary rubber band.. (You can then guess their color if you microcal; for additional DHV)

How it works?

- It's a silly, childish, fun, playful game, and there are no bets involved, so there's a sense of ease, comfort, and trust..

- You're building compliance momentum throughout the entire trick

- You're distracting their conscious mind with the concept of "color" (as they're trying to figure out what the trick is and how it relates to color).. This allows their unconscious to form the idea of the rubber band as a reality and continue to comply in an effort to discover the trick behind the "color"

- You're building response potential by implanting ideas in their head.. "don't drop it, because then I can't find it.. don't let it break, because then it might fly into someone's face and hurt.. their unconscious wants to avoid pain and the danger of loss of vision in an eye, so you implant fear.. though keeping it fun & playful to not give away your intentions"

- It's interactive, and your frame is in control.. You are slowly forcing them to accept your reality of there actually being a rubber band in this interaction.. This is why the trick works better in groups, where everyone can strech the rubber band, until someone says stop.. it implies that multiple people have accepted this reality, which enforces the concept that this reality is true..

- In the beginning, notice how you're luring them; and feel free to notice some of the other subtleties in the trick, but these are the most important ones..

Best,

GrkScorp

[misombra]

thanks scorp. i'm going to a party tonight and i'm gonna try doing something like what you said.

that's really what i needed were some practical ideas on how to get it started. the movie thing is great.

i suppose you could get somebody to talk about a really funny movie and put them back in that moment as well...

[Mish]

This allows their unconscious to form the idea of the rubber band as a reality and continue to comply in an effort to discover the trick behind the "color"

Can you also work out the color? Cause that'd be pretty cool

[misombra]

so i had a little bit of fun with this tonight. not too much though. though it sparked interesting conversation. which i guess is the point, right?

i tried the thing with the sad movies with one of my friends and we got to talking about different movies. we both realized we were both very able to empathize with people and it gave us both insight into each others worlds.

i tried it with my boyfriend and it didn't work very well. but we're already comfortable with each other and know each other very well. i'd have to get a lot of practice to be able to do it with him.

i asked him about one of the best experiences of his life and he said it was when he met me. but i think he just says those things to be nice.

[misombra]

so, the trick with calming someone down with your voice is probably to be calm yourself, right?

this whole hypnotic thing really is mind tripping yourself.

i'm gonna try this with my boss's. i would like them to stop picking on me and calm down. right now they're just looking for ways to mess with me.

i would like to make them calm down and trust me and have faith in me...