Interesting question

[TheSphinx]

I dont know, what does anyone else think?

Try reposting in your other thread or start a new one.

~Sphinx

[intrepido]

Try reposting in your other thread or start a new one.

~Sphinx

Yea sorry, I didnt mean to take over this thread.

[PUN-ish]

->In terms of using the word "shallow," it's often used by someone to "guilt" another person into their belief system or moral code. (Don't want to be caught dating a gorgeous woman, my friends will call me "shallow.")

No, take it this way; If you came to take a girl as your wife for her personality, but at the same time, she was gorgeous, that would not make you shallow. If she was ugly and had that same personality, you would still want her.

->You say to leave "shallow" things like money out of it, but you cite that in ancient times, "...people would marry women for charity (marry a poor woman to give her a better living)." How is that not related to money?

Money here is related in a different way.
It is the man that want to give a poor woman a good living and not a woman looking for a man for his wealth. So, the man here is not looking for anything *shallow* right? And +, usually, in terms of marriage, a woman and her parents would like to get a "good" guy instead of a rich uncaring jerk. If that "good" guy has money too, it's a "bonus". Just like beauty in a woman.

->You also say that, "...others would marry women to bring the "community" or 2 distant families together" and go on to say that, "Today, we guys marry because we "like" a woman for her beauty, her fame, her family, etc." Would rephrasing your question as, "Is it fair that men today marry based on personal preference rather than duty or obligation to family/society?" be along the same lines as what you're trying to ask?

Ah, yes, it would be more proper.

And that story was kinda cool to read.
I'm questioning myself about love and such just in case you guys were curious.

[Tedel]

Damn... let me see if I got this straight: You are asking whether two people can build a relationship based on their own decision to build it as main motivation.

If that's your question, the answer would be a yes, and it's called friendship.

Now, if you're talking about a relationship in which emotions are involved, then it will be harder. I can imagine having sex with a complete stranger with a great... err... bosom or butt; but forcing myself to like a girl I don't like... err... even if I was very very very very very very very drunk, no.

[Charlie Boy II]

This has to be the most convoluted thread of all time.

[misombra]

[PUN-ish]

I thought you guys would be a bit more..hmm..deep.

I think that any 2 humans of the opposite sex can live together. The reason why it doesn't happen is because people are too influenced by their impulses.

[vashti]

Wow, that's deep.

[TheSphinx]

If being "deep" or "not shallow" means I should drop beautiful women with amazing minds to live with some swamp donkey because someone out there thinks she deserves to be compensated somehow with a better man, then I think I'll remain "not-so-deep" and "shallow" happily.

~Sphinx

[vashti]

Hahaha! Swamp donkey! Funny.

[anachronistic]

The simple answer to this question is yes. But it is very difficult with human nature.

It would be more ethical to just stay alone; to not create more prerequisites; to eliminate all desire of being intimate with another person.

[Tedel]

I thought you guys would be a bit more..hmm..deep.

I think that any 2 humans of the opposite sex can live together. The reason why it doesn't happen is because people are too influenced by their impulses.

Hey, I absolutely agree with you on that ^ but you just can't call that a relationship. It's either friendship or you two are roommates.

Of course, you can become friends with benefits in the short or long term, but, I repeat: that's not a relationship.

[Gigabitch]

Let's put you women in a situation; imagine you're "ugly" and poor. You do have needs like any other women on this earth. Perhaps you deserve a partner even more than anyone else. Now, in this kind of situation, would you feel it would be "fair" if men did not marry for a woman's beauty or for any other "stupid" reason?

Last time I looked, there were hoardes of ugly, poor guys out there, and most of them were married to these ugly, poor women.

If you ever worry that someone out there is too poor and ugly to get a man, go to Wal-Mart. You'll be shocked. They all have kids and wedding rings.

[PUN-ish]

Giga, if you partner ended up faceless and paralyzed, would you leave him by himself or would you take care of him? Wouldn't he be ugly to a degree that people won't even look at him? Maybe that would affect you wouldn't it? Ugly marries ugly right?

Is appearance nothing but a veil to ones worth?

[TheSphinx]

That would be a change in your partner's appearance after having shared a relationship rather than disfigurement before meeting them, correct?

Sadly, to some, the "veil" of appearance is, itself, the sole basis of their self worth and their worth to others.

~Sphinx