Question for GigaBitch

[Doc Durian]

Guys want to solve problems so they can sit and enjoy a beer.
Men: Problem, brain activated to solve problem, problem fixed efficiently, brain dump problem. Beer.


Women want to talk about the problem, eventually get around to solving it *together*, then sit *together* and have a beer and talk about nothing.
Women: Problem, talk about feelings, get help to solve problem, fix problem together, congratulate self about fixing problem by talking about it, describe the problem solving process step-by-step in real-time over beer.

All clear now?

As long as you're prepared to add a "perpetuate problem into next relationship while blaming it on the opposite genders last 3000 years of revisionist text book history", we're cool, Indi.

Women have evolved into the stronger by Trojan horse weaker sex of the 20th/21st centuries, through subterfuge and mass sheep movement intention.

Imagine if an episode of a Tomb Raider saw Laura Croft not receiving a Valentines Day bouquet or 6 month anniversary gift while she was out slaying evils and too busy to spend time with her random nice guy of the month/months.

He'd be an arsehole, wouldn't he? For not being a romantic type who appreciates what she doesn't let on as her main job.

(Don't blurt out uncontrollably, women. It's rhetorical)

Nevermind the fact that a women of that size, regardless of training and intent, couldn't do as Laura Croft does in the movies. It's a falsehood, like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Wonder Woman has bigger credentials, but that whole 70-80's period had more grounded feminists.

They would have liked a Laura Croft or Buffy, but couldn't see the logic in it based on their environmental upbringing... seated in reality, despite their feminist aspirations to have their cake and eat it too.

And all the while, single mothers in the heightened divorce age raised their children and installed upon them the value and equality of the sexes, yet it backfired on the feminist movement.

Young men questioning why young women were considered more esteemed based on the past versus the now component.

Those young men have since given up trying to fight injustice as they didn't have any male role models in their immediate sphere to know better.

Easier to watch a Tomb Raider movie and oogle at hips and tits.

[IndiReloaded]

Imagine if an episode of a Tomb Raider saw Laura Croft not receiving a Valentines Day bouquet or 6 month anniversary gift while she was out slaying evils and too busy to spend time with her random nice guy of the month/months.

LOL! Nice one Doc.

Of course, if she was doing this and meeting his needs, then I guess he would be an ass. Things is, there ARE women out there slaying dragons, raising kids, caring for husband. Some men love and appreciate these goddesses and things are good, but there are some asses that don't/can't. The latter should acknowledge they don't want to marry goddesses, just fuk them.

[Doc Durian]

LOL! Nice one Doc.

Of course, if she was doing this and meeting his needs, then I guess he would be an ass. Things is, there ARE women out there slaying dragons, raising kids, caring for husband. Some men love and appreciate these goddesses and things are good, but there are some asses that don't/can't. The latter should acknowledge they don't want to marry goddesses, just fuk them.

You're not going to bust out in a camo bikini dance rendition of Destiny's Child "Survivor" after straddling the surf like a bitch dog in heat?

We could add a few choppers and spears to give it that all too missing realism and hardened credibility.

That whole "slaying dragons, raising kids, caring for husband" line is a lie laden subterfuge promulgated by foaming mouthed feminists of old. It's no longer relevant nor true on any scale, except in the imaginations of women who seek to use it as a dull edged plastic sword in their Tomb Raider reinactments before the same mirror they apply make up and primp and preen in front of.

Transparency is the real bitch, here.

Audit the Female 2009 Bill!

[Gigabitch]

Think of women as the female version of Doc, there, with all of his gender biases and suspicion (see also regular poster Bored George). A lot of women are that weary, that distrustful, but deep down, they want to be proven wrong.

Doc, not so much.

[bluesummer]

What a load of crap.

Women are raised and influenced by other women more so to believe that they're the centre of the universe and worthy of a pedestal. Simultaneously, while this is all transpiring, these women are being told that they're invincible and if not more capable than men.

Well, I can't comment on how other people were raised, but my influences came early on from a father that didn't provide, cheated on my mother, and put our family in the poorhouse because of his selfishness. On top of that, add both my parents (including my dad, ironically) telling me that most men are manipulative and I shouldn't trust them because they only want 'one thing'. Never did they tell me I was BETTER than a man (equal yes, better no), or I should be put on some kind of pedestal for being female, only that I needed to watch out for myself.

I never had and still don't have an overall negative view of men, despite being cheated on, emotionally abused, and used. I learned to value myself and demand respect so no one could abuse me anymore.....if you want to call that putting myself on a pedestal, fine. After the shit I've been through, I think I deserve it.

[CocoChanel]

Doc is a woman?

[Gigabitch]

No, Doc is all man, and has no interest in being proven wrong about women.

[IndiReloaded]

You're not going to bust out in a camo bikini dance rendition of Destiny's Child "Survivor" after straddling the surf like a bitch dog in heat?

We could add a few choppers and spears to give it that all too missing realism and hardened credibility.

I don't understand this reference^. Is it from television? We don't watch TV in our house.

That whole "slaying dragons, raising kids, caring for husband" line is a lie

I don't understand this either. What do you mean its a lie? There are women like this. I'm probably one. I have a career, a son, and a husband I cook & clean for.

[Doc Durian]

I don't understand this reference^. Is it from television? We don't watch TV in our house.

Apparently, you don't have radios either.

I don't understand this either. What do you mean its a lie? There are women like this. I'm probably one. I have a career, a son, and a husband I cook & clean for.

I'm sure you see them at the Tabernacle Choir rehearsals.

[Doc Durian]

Well, I can't comment on how other people were raised, but my influences came early on from a father that didn't provide, cheated on my mother, and put our family in the poorhouse because of his selfishness. On top of that, add both my parents (including my dad, ironically) telling me that most men are manipulative and I shouldn't trust them because they only want 'one thing'.

Funny how you reflect on the words of a noted selfish, cheating, non providing manipulator and it's other half while not noting the other halfs faults in the relationship. Relationships aren't one way streets, despite your feminist social conditioning.

Never did they tell me I was BETTER than a man (equal yes, better no), or I should be put on some kind of pedestal for being female, only that I needed to watch out for myself.

Society takes care of that misnomer.

I never had and still don't have an overall negative view of men, despite being cheated on, emotionally abused, and used. I learned to value myself and demand respect so no one could abuse me anymore.....if you want to call that putting myself on a pedestal, fine. After the shit I've been through, I think I deserve it.

You're a survivor? You won't give up? You'll keep surviving?

How precious.

Think of women as the female version of Doc, there, with all of his gender biases and suspicion (see also regular poster Bored George). A lot of women are that weary, that distrustful, but deep down, they want to be proven wrong.

Doc, not so much.

I appreciate how you're attempting to villanize me through the employment of the Bored George comment. A sort of message board equivalent to a womens association attacking a social columnists article by comparing said columnist with the likes of a celebrity bad boy.

Doesn't stand up in court, but it gives the apologists time to beguile the conversation.

No, Doc is all man, and has no interest in being proven wrong about women.

Your slip is showing.

(Next time, when someone questions the gender of another in a discussion about sexism or feminism, just state the facts without any additional corrupted input, ie. Doc is male, instead of "Doc is all man")

It tends to only reinforce the validity of the points I'm making.

[bluesummer]

Wow, you're a really bitter guy, aren't you Doc? And why do you keep referencing Destiny's Child anyway? You a big fan or something? Yeah, I'm proud I came out of my poor relationships with my head held high. I don't care if it impresses you or not. That's that.

YES, I used my Dad as an example and not my mom, because believe it or not, the only thing my Mom did wrong was A)marry my Dad, and B) stick around. I do fault her for putting up with his shit and not leaving, but at the same time if she wasn't working two jobs we wouldn't have been eating or had a house to live in. She still should've left. Guess what Doc, sometimes there ARE bad guys out there, just like there are bad women, and there's always someone who'll stick around and put up with their crap. I know, I did it with my ex-husband for three years.

[Mish]

I never had and still don't have an overall negative view of men, despite being cheated on, emotionally abused, and used. I learned to value myself and demand respect so no one could abuse me anymore.....if you want to call that putting myself on a pedestal, fine. After the shit I've been through, I think I deserve it.

And you definitely do! I think that's worthy of respect Blue. I've never been cheated on and yet I let my view of women be affected by just a couple of lowly selfish bitches I meet from time to time. I could take a page from your book.

[IndiReloaded]

Apparently, you don't have radios either.

LOL, we tend to listen to web radio or CBC/BBC. But I googled Destiny's Child and I know who you mean. That song described some bitter women.

I'm sure you see them at the Tabernacle Choir rehearsals.

I don't get this either^, except they are a great choir (tho I generally prefer all male, not mixed). Think shallow in your explanations to me about this. What is the phenotype you are referring to?

[ecojeanne]

i don't think doc comes across as bitter, he looks like he is trying to figure us women out by poking fun at things he doesn't understand. nothin wrong with that. some women are as he descibed but not all. i think people do find it hard to face their faults and then make out that it was the guys fault. it's not always. BUT it's not always the gals fault either. it seems it will forever be a neverending battle of the sexes.

i personally know that my last meaningful relationship break up was a lot to do with my inexperience and my faults. i accept it and now even tho he had his faults i know next time not to be so dependant on someone else to make me happy. i used manipulation and so did he. i martyred myself and then i expected too much in return. next time may not be perfect but i will definitely not take things so seriously and won't be thinking negatively about what he says (as we women tend to over analyse. i definitely did that). i hope i don't make the same mistakes again and recognise when i start to think too deeply about something simple.

[Doc Durian]

I understand what makes most women tick. It's taken me 20 years to arrive to this point.

I'm not bitter about it, Eco, true. I'm amused by it.

And why I'll probably never get into a serious relationship again. Sex is fun and necessary. Friendships are as well.

Lashing oneself to another if you have no intentions of starting a family, etc is totally pointless.

We're nomads in matters of the heart.

I choose to recognize and celebrate the fact, not bury and ignore it.