Did Women's Rights Destroy Traditional Marriage?

[lesa]

I agree with being social at work. That's almost a requirement for progression in my field.

And I'm sure other fields too. My ex and my current bf are extremely social and hardworking. Because of those two things they are admired at work.

In my field some of the women with children do a great job at work but lack the socializing. That's probably one issue.

I was actually told that it's expected of me! So I better play this game right.

[Aeradalia]

Agrees... these women at work are awful with socializing. So much negativity... practically no body wants to be around them. I'd rather be with an all-male crew when I leave to meet up with a client. It's far more positive and I tend to have a good day.


So yes, socializing needs to be taken into account too.

[Mish]

once i chilled i began to get noticed and got asked to train people and then got promoted, i became more social and that got me the promotion! thats the way it works folks the supervisors looked at me differently. the only explanation i can come up with is be as social as you want with colleagues, supervisors and managers. i now have many old pals that i meet up with, one particular was a supervisor who became manager and is now one of my good friends that I meet regularly.

This reminds me of film "Office Space"

[Indignant]

Fras, I agree with you. In our society, having children IS a choice. And women who choose not to have them (or compromise like I did and only had one so I could get back to work), will do better in the workplace on average. Homemakers will gripe and cry 'not fair' but that's how it is. Fair has nothing to do with it. Its about limited resources, and time allocation and making choices.

having children is not a choice for many if you take into account a majority of females. the minority of women is actually making that their choice compared to many other who have accidents at a very young age and decide to keep them, thus limiting their careers beforehand.

[Junket]

having children is not a choice for many if you take into account a majority of females. the minority of women is actually making that their choice compared to many other who have accidents at a very young age and decide to keep them, thus limiting their careers beforehand.

...so? It's still a choice. Just because it wasn't a well thought out decision doesn't mean they were stripped of their freewill (bar the obvious extreme situations).

Any woman and man that have sex, with any form of protection ultimately are still taking the risk of pregnancy. They are accepting that risk if they have sex. Period.

I also disagree that the women that choose to have children are a minority.

[misombra]

it used to be that children benefited families because they would work for the family. at this time they're more of a liability.

[Aeradalia]

having children is not a choice for many if you take into account a majority of females. the minority of women is actually making that their choice compared to many other who have accidents at a very young age and decide to keep them, thus limiting their careers beforehand.

Barring rape or anything like that... most 'girls' are taught sex education.. so they are well aware that sex can cause pregnancy. So what happened to make it an accident? Did he trip, land on her... repeatedly? Honestly... there comes a time when you realize that you are indeed held accountable for your actions. Once more... keeping or giving the child up for adoption is another decision that is made... with just as much responsibility and accountability.

I'm sorry but I just can't feel sorry for the girl that got pregnant consensually (gee, I wonder how that happened?), and then decided to keep the child. She had an opportunity to avoid the situation (abstinence till older?) and another opportunity to preserve her future (and give the child a better life with a more stable family). Now it is expected that she should get leniency from others? I think not... she took the chances and should play with the cards she dealt herself.

It's only fair... besides, I've seen plenty of women succeed despite such odds they placed against themselves when they were younger. Women that succeed against such odds... I will undoubtedly root for. They're finally being responsible.

[ecojeanne]

^^ i was never taught sex education, it was something i had to figure out on my own before the internet became popular. so it's a new phenomena that people are aware

[DoesntMatter]

I personally have a great distaste for the handicap women have had and keep on getting in school admissions and employment and the attempts by institutions to castrate males

[Aeradalia]

^^ i was never taught sex education, it was something i had to figure out on my own before the internet became popular. so it's a new phenomena that people are aware

That may be... but my generation and those afterwards have sex education taught to them... it's standard. New phenomena or not... it can no longer be an excuse for a girl this day and age (in America) to not know the consequences of sex if she goes to a public school. The information is readily available... and to a certain degree.. mandatory.

Maybe they are making poor choices... but it isn't on account of not being properly informed...

[lovesjoyajm]

Of course they are both great but I just think a father is alot more admirable in this day and age because not much men nowadays live up to their responsibilities. And for them to be a single father at that to me shows alot of maturity.

I know this is from way long ago, but anyway.

That's utterly ridiculous. There are tons and tons of stay-at-home moms who do a great job and raise good kids, making sacrifices to their careers for the benefit of their families. I really can't see how a stay-at-home dad is inherently better just because there are fewer of them.

Also, I'm just wondering - can someone define the "traditional marriage" we're talking about? It seems obvious, but I'm not sure I understand what differentiates "traditional" marriage from "modern" marriage.

[lesa]

In this context, traditional marriage means the husband is expected to be the head of the household who goes out and provide for the family and the wife is expected to bear child and remain home rearing them.

[IndiReloaded]

They teach sex ed starting in Gr5 in Canada and Australian public schools. Don't know about the US or UK. Its a concession to preempting kids giving BJs on school buses & not thinking its sex. Also issues related to drugs, esp crystal meth, which sadly gets dealed even in middle schools.

[Mish]

I think to reduce the divorce rate what needs to happen is the couple need to be handcuffed to one another at the wedding ceremony (throw away the key) that way they will be forced to deal with each other's bullshit. You want a life together? Here is one without a possibility of parole (that would most likely eliminate cheating too)

[IndiReloaded]

You need to move to a muslim country, Mish.

Forcing ppl isn't the answer to divorce. Its developing enough as a couple to learn about things like tolerance and commitment. You can't teach someone discipline by beating them.