Misandry in the US, promotion of domestic violence against men

[thiudiskr]

LOL! This is ridiculous. It is blatantly obvious that the comments made on the show were tongue-in-cheek. And so what? I've heard some very controversial jokes about: abortions, September 11th attacks, homosexuality, racism, rape, etc.; It's gallows humor.

Male genital mutilation is extremely rare and almost unheard of. If you can understand how the Darwin Awards can be humorous, you can understand how this can be funny, too. Most people would agree that this woman who cut off her husbands penis is crazy and she definitely deserves her charges. Otherwise, the penis-chopping man-haters you believe to exist would rise up and protest, and America would become a matriarchal land of eunuchs and lesbians.

Sixpacj, you sound like a misogynist.

[DoesntMatter]

Oh my God. Get a grip! One stupid woman doesn't warrant this kind of rage on your part. Did you see rant after rant after rant when Rush Limbaugh called a college girl a whore for wanting access to birth control?

Come on Vash, those are hardly similar. One is making joke after joke about a violent crime, another is being crude. Limbaugh was given hell for his comments which were nothing compared to the jokes about a violent assault!

btw, it wasn't about 'access' to birth control. It's about mandating it be paid for by insurance. Which would mean other people would pay for her sex, which is why he called her a whore.

The people who support her don't understand what 'insurance' is. Health insurance is paying for coverage in the case of an UNFORESEEN and UNCONTROLLABLE future health problem. This doesn't qualify and it shouldn't, either.

If it was called mandatory healthcare, and not mandatory health INSURANCE, then I would have less of a problem

[Sixpacj]

America would become a matriarchal land of eunuchs and lesbians.

Sixpacj, you sound like a misogynist.

Ahhh .. well... yes, it is a matriarchal land of eunuchs and lesbians... Judging by what you can see in their media... and some posts here ;-)

[searock]

I'm a woman and I find this horrifying. Many comments on that article, saying what I just said, were made by women. My female friends wouldn't find genital mutilation funny, on a man or a woman.

Wanna know where the hate some women have towards men comes from? Ages of oppression and violence against women. Being constantly laughed at and not taken seriously, made fun of and labeled hysterical or crazy. So yes, some women still can't get over the millennia of disgusting misogyny that came before this past half-century.

In many countries in the world, female genital mutilation is still considered normal and right. Rape female victims are considered guilty, instead of the rapist. Women earn much less money than equally qualified men in basically every country in the world. Perhaps in the USA you have reached true and complete equality. It still doesn't make it up for the centuries that came before this one. Obviously this doesn't mean that because of this fact, then it's OK for women to laugh about violence against men etcetera. They shouldn't be repeating the same mistakes men have done for millennia. But if you want to find a reason for their behavior, this is it.

[Sixpacj]

I'm a woman and I find this horrifying. Many comments on that article, saying what I just said, were made by women. My female friends wouldn't find genital mutilation funny, on a man or a woman.

Wanna know where the hate some women have towards men comes from? Ages of oppression and violence against women. Being constantly laughed at and not taken seriously, made fun of and labeled hysterical or crazy. So yes, some women still can't get over the millennia of disgusting misogyny that came before this past half-century.

In many countries in the world, female genital mutilation is still considered normal and right. Rape female victims are considered guilty, instead of the rapist. Women earn much less money than equally qualified men in basically every country in the world. Perhaps in the USA you have reached true and complete equality. It still doesn't make it up for the centuries that came before this one. Obviously this doesn't mean that because of this fact, then it's OK for women to laugh about violence against men etcetera. They shouldn't be repeating the same mistakes men have done for millennia. But if you want to find a reason for their behavior, this is it.

Do you have a son? A husband? A boyfriend? A father? Will you tell your son just that when it "happens" to him?

Of course violence and misogyny happened to women in the past. Incidentally, more violence happened to men, universally, men have suffered more violence throughout history.

However, I challenge you to come up with examples of how men actually revelled in rape or genital mutilation of females. In the past, in the "dark ages of misogyny", as you'd likely put it, would you find works of art/literature/media extolling/praising violence to females and commending the perpetrators of such violence? Would you find a movie/piece of literature/a piece of art praising a man for cutting a woman's tits or castrating her?

[searock]

As I said, it's wrong for women to do that.

I don't see the point of your rhetorical question. How is something horrible happening to a man that is close to me supposed to make me change my mind?

Women were tortured and burned as witches during the Dark Ages, men reveled in that. And it's just an example. All throughout history women have been not taken seriously and laughed at, at best (at worst, they were considered crazy and men would remove their uteruses). And this was just in the western society. Much worse happened (and sadly, still happens) elsewhere. I'm sure you are aware of the condition of women in large parts of Africa and some countries of the middle east. Violence against women, including genital mutilation, is considered a normal part of society in many countries.

Men have suffered more violence than women throughout history? Are you talking about physical violence only, are you referring to wars? Those were men fighting other men, as *equals*. How is it relevant to the topic at hand?

[Sixpacj]

As I said, it's wrong for women to do that.

I don't see the point of your rhetorical question. I wouldn't "tell" them anything, I'd try to be close to them and support them as best as I can.

Women were tortured and burned as witches during the Dark Ages, men reveled in that. And it's just an example. All throughout history women have been not taken seriously and laughed at, at best (at worst, they were considered crazy and men would remove their uteruses). And this was just in the western society. Much worse happened (and sadly, still happens) elsewhere. I'm sure you are aware of the condition of women in large parts of Africa and some countries of the middle east. Violence against women, including genital mutilation, is considered a normal part of society in many countries.

Men have suffered more violence than women throughout history? Are you talking about physical violence only, are you referring to wars? Those were men fighting other men, as *equals*. How is it relevant to the topic at hand?

Would you please elaborate on the "considered crazy and removed their uteruses" part?

[Sixpacj]

As I said, it's wrong for women to do that.

I don't see the point of your rhetorical question. How is something horrible happening to a man that is close to me supposed to make me change my mind?

Women were tortured and burned as witches during the Dark Ages, men reveled in that. And it's just an example. All throughout history women have been not taken seriously and laughed at, at best (at worst, they were considered crazy and men would remove their uteruses). And this was just in the western society. Much worse happened (and sadly, still happens) elsewhere. I'm sure you are aware of the condition of women in large parts of Africa and some countries of the middle east. Violence against women, including genital mutilation, is considered a normal part of society in many countries.

Men have suffered more violence than women throughout history? Are you talking about physical violence only, are you referring to wars? Those were men fighting other men, as *equals*. How is it relevant to the topic at hand?

1. Can you show a specific work of art/literature saying it is "cool" and "fabulous" to cut out a woman's genitals?

2. While witches were tortured and killed in the middle ages, way more men ("heretics") were tortured and killed.

3. When I talk about men having suffered more violence than women I mean history and present. Men have been killed, tortured more than females. Men are even more likely to be raped than women. The relevance to the topic is that the myth of "women are victims" and "men are perpetrators" is a ... myth.

[searock]

Women considered to be emotionally unstable or otherwise "crazy" would be diagnosed with "hysteria", or "wandering uterus". To remove the symptoms of this (non-existing) illness, the most drastic "cure" was to remove the uterus entirely.

[url]http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/The-Sad-Story-Of-The-Hysterical-Uterus/82642[/url]
[url]http://smashingtops.com/weird/10-of-the-worst-psychiatric-treatments-in-history/[/url]

[searock]

1. Can you show a specific work of art/literature saying it is "cool" and "fabulous" to cut out a woman's genitals?

Maybe not cool and fabulous, but the right thing to do and perfectly normal. Things like "she asked for it" referred to rape victims are commonly heard even in western countries (for example: [url]http://www.care2.com/causes/she-asked-for-it-survey-finds-women-blame-victims-for-rape.html[/url]). I'm sure you agree without me having to waste more time looking for pointless links...

2. While witches were tortured and killed in the middle ages, way more men ("heretics") were tortured and killed.

Again, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Women were burned *because* they were women, therefore considered more "diabolic", for their very nature. For centuries, menstruations themselves were considered something "impure" (still are, in some countries: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_and_menstruation[/url]).

3. When I talk about men having suffered more violence than women I mean history and present. Men have been killed, tortured more than females. Men are even more likely to be raped than women. The relevance to the topic is that the myth of "women are victims" and "men are perpetrators" is a ... myth.

Men have been killed and tortured more than females. Can you provide sources to that statement? Even if what you say is true, once again, it was/is violence committed by men unto other men - equals upon equals. It is not relevant because we are talking about male-female interactions.

It may be a myth in the current USA society. Sadly, it was FAR from a "myth" up until the last century in the USA as well, and it's *still* a very real situation in many countries in the world even today. There are, obviously, exceptions.

[Sixpacj]

1. Maybe not cool and fabulous, but the right thing to do and perfectly normal. Things like "she asked for it" referred to rape victims are commonly heard even in western countries (for example: [url]http://www.care2.com/causes/she-asked-for-it-survey-finds-women-blame-victims-for-rape.html[/url]).

"I'm sure you agree without me having to waste more time looking for pointless links..."

Why are you sure about that?

How is rape and castration equal? We are not talking about it.

Also, do you see rapists being praised for that? Do you have TV shows, works of art devoted to rapists?


2. Again, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Women were burned *because* they were women, therefore considered more "diabolic", for their very nature. For centuries, menstruations themselves were considered something "impure" (still are, in some countries: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_and_menstruation[/url]).

BS. Women were tortured and killed because they were "women"? Whereas men we killed and tortured not because they were "men"??? What about men killed in countries run by women (British Empire and the Russian Empire)? In such a case females were killed by equals, right???

What about men considered unpure (native populations in conquered countries)?


3. Men have been killed and tortured more than females. Can you provide sources to that statement? Even if what you say is true, once again, it was/is violence committed by men unto other men - equals upon equals. It is not relevant because we are talking about male-female interactions.

See above

4. It may be a myth in the current USA society. Sadly, it was FAR from a "myth" up until the last century in the USA as well, and it's *still* a very real situation in many countries in the world even today. There are, obviously, exceptions.

Again, even in those countries "oppressive"to women, please indicate monuments, works of art or literature devoted to castration of females or murder or rape?

[searock]

1. Maybe not cool and fabulous, but the right thing to do and perfectly normal. Things like "she asked for it" referred to rape victims are commonly heard even in western countries (for example: [url]http://www.care2.com/causes/she-asked-for-it-survey-finds-women-blame-victims-for-rape.html[/url]).

Isn't this men feeling satisfied and OK with violence against women?

"I'm sure you agree without me having to waste more time looking for pointless links..."

Why are you sure about that?

Because I'm assuming you have at least a high school education?

How is rape and castration equal? We are not talking about it.

It is not equal. I was merely trying to explain the reason why some women, even today, hate men. I thought I made that clear in my first post on this thread. By the way, men castrated "hysteric" women by removing their ovaries, as early as in the nineteenth century. So, yeah. And google "infibulation" in case you're interested (I'll make it easier for you: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation[/url]).

Also, do you see rapists being praised for that? Do you have TV shows, works of art devoted to rapists?

I hope I won't have to repeat it again: I think it is wrong for some women to do that. I am talking about the reason why some women hate men, which is history.

BS. Women were tortured and killed because they were "women"?

In many cases, yes. Just read a history book. Men were tortured and killed because they were accused of having done something wrong. In most cases, all you needed (in some places, need: [url]http://tikulicious.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/witch-hunting-the-dark-indian-reality/[/url]) to accuse a woman of in order to torture and kill her was that she *was* a woman, therefore impure and diabolical.

What about men killed in countries run by women (British Empire and the Russian Empire)? In such a case females were killed by equals, right???

LOL... on a strictly political level, I guess you could say that (?). Keep in mind though that the women sitting on the throne did not commit violence against women based on the fact that they were women. Also, the usual violence at home or on the streets, or even committed by men at war against the women of the countries they "conquered", was definitely "man against woman" violence. Finally (just to go along with this rather absurd statement), I'm sure you are aware that female reigns occurred in history far less often than male reigns.

What about men considered unpure (native populations in conquered countries)?

Native men AND WOMEN were considered impure. It was never a gender related thing.

3. Men have been killed and tortured more than females. Can you provide sources to that statement? Even if what you say is true, once again, it was/is violence committed by men unto other men - equals upon equals. It is not relevant because we are talking about male-female interactions.

See above

I don't see it.

4. It may be a myth in the current USA society. Sadly, it was FAR from a "myth" up until the last century in the USA as well, and it's *still* a very real situation in many countries in the world even today. There are, obviously, exceptions.

Again, even in those countries "oppressive"to women, please indicate monuments, works of art or literature devoted to castration of females or murder or rape?

See what I bolded above.

Please educate yourself before talking about something you don't know. I see your point - women in the current USA shouldn't laugh about violence against men. I agree with that 100%, laughing about other people's suffering is always wrong. But if you want reasons for which nowadays, some "liberated" women still feel spiteful against men in general, all you have to do is open a history book.

[vashti]

Sixpacj - I only skimmed a couple of your posts, but based on what I read, you might want to consider some professional psychological help. Or drug/ETOH rehab... not sure which.

DM - I disagree with you about the birth control thing. If health insurance pays for viagra when ordered for erectile dysfunction, they should cover birth control, too. As a matter of practicality, it's cheaper than an unplanned pregnancy. My insurance company pays for it.

And Rush Limbaugh is an asshole, who has a lot more power than some dumb little journalist, with a much larger sheep-people audience that are easily influenced by his vitriol.

Searock - My hat's off to you for being able to read through enough of these posts to actually want to debate him. lol

[DoesntMatter]

DM - I disagree with you about the birth control thing. If health insurance pays for viagra when ordered for erectile dysfunction, they should cover birth control, too. As a matter of practicality, it's cheaper than an unplanned pregnancy. My insurance company pays for it.

Viagra shouldn't be covered either

[sadie_genie]

Look at how men and masculinity are portrayed in the media. How you can make all kinds of jokes about them. How you can abuse them in the media, schooling system.

Actually, I have heard more attacks/jokes about masculinity from men than from women. I think you choose to blame it all on women because you are a women hater.