What do men in relationships really think when watching porn?

[ctr916]

Men dont use porn to deliberately hurt their wives or gfs. It just does when they feel low about themselves. They feel if they love their bfs so much and they are enough then why arent they enough.
If they do use it to hurt deliberately they are sick.
How does it level the playing field? It just seems if they wrong you you wrong them. That is childish and immature.

I think it is analogous to women "getting used by all of the other ones" and claiming to some guys that they are not really like that. In my opinion, it is the same reason most guys are "not enough" for a woman. We are not that different, only guys get to practice much less than women, only to have women use our lack of experience with them to their "extreme advantage". Why do women tend to complain about that form of "victimization" instead of finding better solutions to their problems.

It tends to "level the playing field" in the manner I described above. You haven't refuted that argument, but merely avoided the rationale by insisting that women, who can usually get all the sex they could ever want, for free, have a problem with men simply watching all the women they could ever want on the internet and maybe masturbate by himself, maybe for free.

How was the previous status quo (before the Information Age) any better for men? At least now, men have more opportunities to see women in their "natural environment" and make a more informed decision regarding relationships. Are you complaining about some "leveling" of the playing field regarding a form of "equal work for equal pay" regarding that dynamic?

[tremolo]

those women are being themselves and not claiming they aren't really like that, afterward?

Are you insane?

How many internet porn women complain about men who watch them over the internet "treating them badly"?

Have you ever read or watched any interviews with female porn stars? Most of them were abused in the past, and have a lot to say about how worthless the industry makes them feel. Porn reduces women to **** objects, and while I realize the porn actresses know very well what they're getting themselves into, it doesn't change the fact that women in porn are being treated in ways that are anything but respectful or loving. A lot of times, they're the object of aggression and violence, and the kind of guys who get off on that kind of porn have a very similar view to your own - that women need to be put in their place, and that they are entitled to what a woman - any woman - has to offer.

Why do you not believe in that form of equality; if women usually have "free" access to all of the men they want?

Did you even read my earlier post? I don't believe for a second that women have access to whatever they want. You're assuming that what women want is what men want - (meaningless) sex. And there are a lot of women who can't even get that from the men they desire. If you think women are holding all the cards when it comes to love and sex, you are seriously deluded.

[Wakeup]

if women usually have "free" access to all of the men they want?

You know I didn't think they let the inmates at the asylum have such a long turn on the psyche ward communal computer.

Dude just because you (and quite a few other guys) believe that we have it easy because we can fk any guy doesn't mean it's any easier for us in the sexual realm.

We do not consider every male fkable so we have just as hard a time finding someone to mate with us as you do.

If we didn't care who we allowed in us, if we would screw men we didn't find attractive (like many men do with woman who they will bed but not consider relationship material and actual term "double baggers" but do them anyway) then yes, we would have an advantage over you as far as sexual options go.

Now/ Give the guy in the next bed to you a go on the desk top... m'kay.

You post simply to stir the pot, be the devils advocate which can be fun, but you don't have a very good argument and often, only YOU understand what you're trying to convey. The only time you're understood by the majority here is when you're kissing an Oposters azz.

Thanks for playing though.

[tremolo]

We are not that different, only guys get to practice much less than women, only to have women use our lack of experience with them to their "extreme advantage".

women, who can usually get all the sex they could ever want, for free...

You do realize that men, on average, tend to have a much higher number of sexual partners than women do? You seem to think that most women are running around bedding every and any guy they see who they are attracted to. I can assure you that isn't the case, and it isn't even what most women want.

At least now, men have more opportunities to see women in their "natural environment" and make a more informed decision regarding relationships.

Have you even ever watched any porn? Porn is some of the fakest, most artificial content a person could ever find when it comes to sexual dynamics, which is why I maintained that it is anything but instructional.

It disturbs me that you seem to take what they're selling at face value. And I think you do, or you wouldn't be making these really off-base comments about how women really are (i.e., sex fiends), and how men need some means of levelling the playing field.

[ctr916]

Are you insane?

Have you ever read or watched any interviews with female porn stars? Most of them were abused in the past, and have a lot to say about how worthless the industry makes them feel. Porn reduces women to **** objects, and while I realize the porn actresses know very well what they're getting themselves into, it doesn't change the fact that women in porn are being treated in ways that are anything but respectful or loving. A lot of times, they're the object of aggression and violence, and the kind of guys who get off on that kind of porn have a very similar view to your own - that women need to be put in their place, and that they are entitled to what a woman - any woman - has to offer.

Did you even read my earlier post? I don't believe for a second that women have access to whatever they want. You're assuming that what women want is what men want - (meaningless) sex. And there are a lot of women who can't even get that from the men they desire. If you think women are holding all the cards when it comes to love and sex, you are seriously deluded.

No, I am just more honest by true witness bearing, as a form of philosophical "virtue" if even if it is compatible with that moral "virtue"; and, it helps discover truth value through argumentation and therefor enables more realistic solutions to any given problem.

What you claim about porn may have been more true in the past, but webcams have changed that. Did you know that the porn sector has enabled some women to achieve forms of pay superiority when compared to men? I think those men you mention may have had as many problems growing up as the women did, and already know how women can be, but merely need a better argument.

The porn sector disagrees with you and it pays women better than the "morality" sector that does not include porn; so, why should I confide in your sincerity in our money based, mixed market, political economy where economic forms of discrimination are both legal and socially acceptable.

I am not assuming anything other than what is both physically and physiologically possible. I am not claiming women hold all the cards in love and sex simply because sex does not always equal love. However, how many women can't get laid easier than most nice guys?

[ctr916]

You know I didn't think they let the inmates at the asylum have such a long turn on the psyche ward communal computer.

Dude just because you (and quite a few other guys) believe that we have it easy because we can fk any guy doesn't mean it's any easier for us in the sexual realm.

We do not consider every male fkable so we have just as hard a time finding someone to mate with us as you do.

If we didn't care who we allowed in us, if we would screw men we didn't find attractive (like many men do with woman who they will bed but not consider relationship material and actual term "double baggers" but do them anyway) then yes, we would have an advantage over you as far as sexual options go.

Now/ Give the guy in the next bed to you a go on the desk top... m'kay.

You post simply to stir the pot, be the devils advocate which can be fun, but you don't have a very good argument and often, only YOU understand what you're trying to convey. The only time you're understood by the majority here is when you're kissing an Oposters azz.

Thanks for playing though.

Coming from a person who needs to resort to fallacy to make a point they don't have, what makes you think you even have a rational argument that would qualify you as being more "sane"?

What is so difficult about any given woman simply being honest for sex in the same manner that many women complain about guys being honest for sex? Finding a mate and having sex are two different things.

You may be resorting to fallacy, how many women who charge five thousand dollars an hour for a short term relationship, are ugly. How many guys have a convenient, five thousand dollar an hour petty cash fund that is replenished as soon as it is used? We do live in a market based economy; did you realize that?

I actually have a good argument, why is it that most women who claim to be honest tend to resort to fallacy (as a form of dishonesty) the most?

Thank you for your advice when I don't have enough money to spend quality time with women for short term relationships.

You are welcome, anytime.

[tremolo]

Did you know that the porn sector has enabled some women to achieve forms of pay superiority when compared to men?

The porn sector disagrees with you and it pays women better than the "morality" sector that does not include porn; so, why should I confide in your sincerity in our money based, mixed market, political economy where economic forms of discrimination are both legal and socially acceptable.

You seem to be assuming that women couldn't complete with men financially unless they go into porn. That is, they can't compete unless they cater to a male-oriented industry and allow themselves to be exploited by it. Where's the equality in that? Porn pays women well because it exploits them and requires them to do things that no mentally stable or emotionally healthy woman would ever do.

Take this whole Casey Anthony thing. Vivid Entertainment has offered her a deal, ostensibly for the purpose that Casey will need 'looking after' after all her bad publicity, and they want to help her out financially. The real reason of course is that she'll sell videos and they'll make a fortune by encouraging her to degrade and further shame herself for predominantly male entertainment.

However, how many women can't get laid easier than most nice guys?

Of course women can get laid easier, because men have lower standards when it comes to sex, as Wakeup has already pointed out. Still, you men are typically the ones with the power when it comes to deciding what happens after sex has taken place. Regardless, you still seem to think that you're entitled to all the sex you want with whatever women you want, and it pisses you off because you're a 'nice' guy. Nice guy or not, you're not entitled.

[ctr916]

You do realize that men, on average, tend to have a much higher number of sexual partners than women do? You seem to think that most women are running around bedding every and any guy they see who they are attracted to. I can assure you that isn't the case, and it isn't even what most women want.

Have you even ever watched any porn? Porn is some of the fakest, most artificial content a person could ever find when it comes to sexual dynamics, which is why I maintained that it is anything but instructional.

It disturbs me that you seem to take what they're selling at face value. And I think you do, or you wouldn't be making these really off-base comments about how women really are (i.e., sex fiends), and how men need some means of levelling the playing field.

What I have tended to realize is that our gender studies are seriously flawed. I am doing some independent study and research that, hopefully, may be useful to future generations of males who may have a more "equal" playing field. You are welcome to your comment. But how accurate can you be when the porn sector simply pays women more than the non-porn sector, simply to let women "be themselves".

It depends on the porn; I agree that all porn is not created equal. The same can be said of any form of entertainment. Isn't up to the consumer to choose what is best for them?

What I have been accepting at face value, is learning not to judge women by the clothes they don't wear, on the internet; and, learning more about the g-spot, and yoni and trantric massage; and therapuetic forms of full body massage. But don't let that stop you from resorting to fallacy and stereotyping me, while not having a rational argument that doesn't resort to fallacy.

I know it is not what you always want to hear, to get me laid; but I can claim I am doing for the greater glory of human understanding. What is your excuse?

[tremolo]

...the porn sector simply pays women more than the non-porn sector, simply to let women "be themselves".

You would have to be seriously insane or unbelievably ignorant to make a comment like that.

What is your excuse?

Um... my excuse for what, exactly? I hate to tell you, but half of what you're saying doesn't even make sense - even though you profess to be totally philosophical about it.

[ctr916]

You seem to be assuming that women couldn't complete with men financially unless they go into porn. That is, they can't compete unless they cater to a male-oriented industry and allow themselves to be exploited by it. Where's the equality in that? Porn pays women well because it exploits them and requires them to do things that no mentally stable or emotionally healthy woman would ever do.

Take this whole Casey Anthony thing. Vivid Entertainment has offered her a deal, ostensibly for the purpose that Casey will need 'looking after' after all her bad publicity, and they want to help her out financially. The real reason of course is that she'll sell videos and they'll make a fortune by encouraging her to degrade and further shame herself for predominantly male entertainment.

Of course women can get laid easier, because men have lower standards when it comes to sex, as Wakeup has already pointed out. Still, you men are typically the ones with the power when it comes to deciding what happens after sex has taken place. Regardless, you still seem to think that you're entitled to all the sex you want with whatever women you want, and it pisses you off because you're a 'nice' guy. Nice guy or not, you're not entitled.

I am not claiming that at all; it is merely a red herring on your part. What I am claiming is that in real life, currently, the porn sector has enabled women to achieve forms of pay superiority when compared to men, while the morality sector has not. While you have some valid claims, in my opinion, many women are "playing into it" by not emulating (hopefully in a better manner) men's communication style by not being as ambiguous. It could be perceived as a form of deception by some men who may not want to bother arguing with you to discover any truth value through that argumentation.

I agree to disagree with you, simply because some men may work their whole lives doing something they would rather not do if it were easier to do something else.

Would what you claim of that specific, current interest, still be "normal" if it were usual and customary for women to use men for sex until the man clamors for a relationship? In my opinion, it would not because guys would have plenty of other things to do; so, who really, is "enabling" our current social dilemma by employing double-standards in regards to sex?

How many men would have those "lower standards" if we had a petty cash fund for such purposes in any given market based economy, not just ours? Consider that, what happens after sex usually requires a "double coincidence" (of a form of barter). Unfortunately, many women may believe they have accomplished a form of barter, which requires cooperation, by simply manipulating a guy, into or out of, sex.

In my opinion, gender relations would be much better, if women were more willing to be friends with guys they claim to want to be girlfriends with.

[VincenzoG91]

I just love this picture:

[ctr916]

You would have to be seriously insane or unbelievably ignorant to make a comment like that.

Um... my excuse for what, exactly? I hate to tell you, but half of what you're saying doesn't even make sense - even though you profess to be totally philosophical about it.

Do you have a rational argument or am I supposed to simply take your word for it while you are resorting to a fallacy of argumentum ad hominem.

I am not surprised since non sequiturs are also, usually considered a form of fallacy.

Just consider: If this was a corporate strategy meeting to discuss a multi-billion dollar, multi-national, business proposal; who do you believe should make more money, the guy or the girls?

[ctr916]

I just love this picture:

I am glad it is only an argument and not a quarrel.

[tremolo]

I agree to disagree with you, simply because some men may work their whole lives doing something they would rather not do if it were easier to do something else.

And women don't? It would be easier, and I could make a lot more money stripping for a living than sitting in a library all day and teaching college students for peanuts, but I prefer to do something meaningful with my life that won't undermine my self-esteem and integrity.

Would what you claim of that specific, current interest, still be "normal" if it were usual and customary for women to use men for sex until the man clamors for a relationship?

Conventionally, it is men who use women for sex and then decide whether they will give her the relationship that she conventionally wants.

How many men would have those "lower standards" if we had a petty cash fund for such purposes in any given market based economy, not just ours?

Right, because prostitution would solve everything.

[Wakeup]

Coming from a person who needs to resort to fallacy to make a point they don't have, what makes you think you even have a rational argument that would qualify you as being more "sane"?

You are not making sense again

What is so difficult about any given woman simply being honest for sex in the same manner that many women complain about guys being honest for sex?

What has that got to do with anything i said? You want women to be free and sexual and to **** like there was no tomorrow like it was Hugh Heffners birthday at the grotto and everyone is icing the cake with bodily fluids. Well sir, until men give up the double standard that they'll **** her but they would never mary her, that aint gonna happen.

Finding a mate and having sex are two different things.

Well you're correct there. However let me clarify... I was referring to a sexual mate, not a life mate. Two different things.

You may be resorting to fallacy, how many women who charge five thousand dollars an hour for a short term relationship, are ugly. How many guys have a convenient, five thousand dollar an hour petty cash fund that is replenished as soon as it is used? We do live in a market based economy; did you realize that?

again wtf has that got to do with anything I said and what you are attempting to reply too?

I actually have a good argument,

In your own delusional mind, I'm sure you do.

why is it that most women who claim to be honest tend to resort to fallacy (as a form of dishonesty) the most?

examples please? Perhaps if you drew a picture you'd make more sense.

Thank you for your advice when I don't have enough money to spend quality time with women for short term relationships.

I suppose that means something to you. (???)

I know it is not what you always want to hear, to get me laid; but I can claim I am doing for the greater glory of human understanding.

Delusions of grandeur, much?