I have had 5 so far and none of them led to a girlfriend. Usually I act nice and pay for everything, hold open doors.ect but I never seem to know when to go in for a kiss and usually get bumped down into the friend zone. I know you are allowed to flirt in a date but I haven't a clue when you're supposed to try for a kiss. Can anyone give me a general run down of date timing and general rules to follow. (I'd ask my dad but we don't really talk much and he's a jerk.) I really don't have any close friends who are guys who are immensely successful with women either. I'm basically trying to find a girlfriend for a long term relationship but I think I keep moving too slow .