Failed bomb attack on US airliner

[Junket]

Tyranny has it's place in life, yeah?

You're god damn right you dumb f*ck.

[CAM]

Mish there is a BIG difference between torturing innocents and those who have actually committed a crime. This guy should not be coddled; he should be put down, like a rabid dog. The only reason all those people didn't die is b/c his homegrown bomb didn't work, not b/c he was a 'misunderstood minority' or had second thoughts. He needs to be made an example of, IMO. Hang em high.

Don't be an apologist on this, Mish. Its just wrong.

Damned right! In fact, a merciless and cruel death is the only way to "impress" the other perspective terrorists into ceasing their behavior.

A largely ignored history is the history of Spain 711-1492. The only thing we hear about in our Western history books is the cruelty of the Inquisition, which was almost wholly cruel and disgusting. BUT...the point that is missed is that it took over 700 years of intense fighting to rid the Iberian Penninsula of the Moors...the bloodthirsty terrorists of their age.

I might add that the terrorists of this age are eager to reverse the Spanish reconquest and to once again take Granada. That's a real goal out there, my friends. A real goal. Laugh if you will, but these guys are fully willing to fight it out for centuries to see who will blink first.

[IndiReloaded]

Damned right! In fact, a merciless and cruel death is the only way to "impress" the other perspective terrorists into ceasing their behavior.

Well, I wouldn't torture a rabid dog. I was thinking more along the lines of swift & decisive end to his misery.

I keep thinking we really need a penal work colony on the moon. An indefinite labour term in a harsh environment might be an acceptable alternative.

[Petit Papillon]

Indi go to sleep!!! It must be middle of the night there!!!

[Lipp]

Damned right! In fact, a merciless and cruel death is the only way to "impress" the other perspective terrorists into ceasing their behavior.

Same reason why coalition soldiers are being beheaded in front of cameras. But hey, if you want to sink to that level, to each their own.

[Junket]

Well, I wouldn't torture a rabid dog. I was thinking more along the lines of swift & decisive end to his misery.

I keep thinking we really need a penal work colony on the moon. An indefinite labour term in a harsh environment might be an acceptable alternative.

Lets just rent space in Siberia.

[IndiReloaded]

Indi go to sleep!!! It must be middle of the night there!!!

LOL, I just finished sending off a big application and was relaxing with a marathon DVD of a fave tv show. My normal bedtime is 10pm.

[IndiReloaded]

Lets just rent space in Siberia.

I hear they need snow shovelers in Antartica. In the winter. That could work.

[shheadz]

But really, how come he got visa to come to US if he was on a 'secret terrorist list' and normal people have problems to get to US ?

They're now saying he already had a visa before being put on the list. Kind of stupid really.. The list is checked when someone applies for a visa, but they don't check to see if the person already has one. Dumb.

[BoredGeorge]

You know, I have absolutely no problem with torture. Done correctly. That means nobody ever finds out about it.

Torturer and torturee disapear. Prying journalists suffer unfortunate and invariably fatal accidents. That sort of thing.

One life to save a hundred, a hundred to save a thousand, a thousand to save a million, a million to save a billion--all small prices to pay.

You can't because you'll end up with a violent revolution and then a communist style of government. Re - Russia. They did all that brutal shit to their people and look what happened.

One second its the terrorist, the next its the socialists, then you have a communist leader. Pretty easy story to follow.

[Mish]

Mish there is a BIG difference between torturing innocents and those who have actually committed a crime. This guy should not be coddled; he should be put down, like a rabid dog. The only reason all those people didn't die is b/c his homegrown bomb didn't work, not b/c he was a 'misunderstood minority' or had second thoughts. He needs to be made an example of, IMO. Hang em high.

Don't be an apologist on this, Mish. Its just wrong.

I wasn't talking about this guy, don't misinterpret what I was saying Indi. I was talking about the mentality that Gribble posted, "no problem with torture, one life to save one hundred, a hundred lives to save one thousand". This is exact same justification used by people like Sadam Husein to execute and torture innocent people the world over. Do you ever wonder why that happens? It's because there are regular people out there who have no problem with the vilest traits of human nature, hell they actively encourage it. In the end they don't really care who gets tortured or why, just as long as some one does when there is a problem. I'm talking about regular people who might be considered peaceful suddenly turning into demons.

If people REALLY want to live in a peaceful world they should first look inward and examine their own reasons for bloodlust. Failing that there will never be peace in this world.

[Illusional]

now that this is all over and i'm back home.. i feel so relived. we actually flew out to california on christmas night, and when we finally checked into our rooms, the news was busting out with all of this crap on terrorism. it is really a shitty feeling when you know that you have to fly out again after all your vacationing is over..

anyhow, i'm glad that nothing happened, AND that the airports weren't super busy when we were checking in.

raverboy

[IndiReloaded]

I wasn't talking about this guy, don't misinterpret what I was saying Indi. I was talking about the mentality that Gribble posted, "no problem with torture, one life to save one hundred, a hundred lives to save one thousand". This is exact same justification used by people like Sadam Husein to execute and torture innocent people the world over. Do you ever wonder why that happens? It's because there are regular people out there who have no problem with the vilest traits of human nature, hell they actively encourage it. In the end they don't really care who gets tortured or why, just as long as some one does when there is a problem. I'm talking about regular people who might be considered peaceful suddenly turning into demons.

If people REALLY want to live in a peaceful world they should first look inward and examine their own reasons for bloodlust. Failing that there will never be peace in this world.

Okay, as a general philosophy about torture I agree. But I don't think putting down a rabid dog is torture. I wouldn't go so far as to call it kindness, but there are some who might argue its something close. Its certainly expedient and reasonable folk would call it justice. Especially the families of those 200+ people who nearly died b/c of this nutcase.

So, looking inward for reasons? How about ensuring that a known threat to society won't get another chance? And sending a message that those who are caught trying to spread terror will not be tolerated, to the point of denying them life?

[Mish]

So, looking inward for reasons? How about ensuring that a known threat to society won't get another chance? And sending a message that those who are caught trying to spread terror will not be tolerated, to the point of denying them life?

Those people live for their chance to die for their cause, to become a martyr. Denying them life so they can become some kind of a hero would only encourage them and others like them even more. This would be a good solution to see more people like him join the ranks. Treating terror with terror, "hammering good into evil" is a very misguided and dysfunctional solution to a very complex problem which requires moderation, persistence over time and a lot of foresight to resolve.

[IndiReloaded]

Those people live for their chance to die for their cause, to become a martyr. Denying them life so they can become some kind of a hero would only encourage them and others like them even more.

Mish. What? Your logic is flawed.

End a known terrorists life so they can't kill more people. Or, let them live so they kill even more?

The fact that such people live to be martyrs is irrelevant. If they blew up in a terrorist act, they are martyrs. If they fail, they aren't given a second chance to succeed. This is complicated to think about?

If you encounter a rabid dog, do you let it roam to bite & infect more people, or put it down immediately?