imagine if you didn't have to pay taxes

[ecojeanne]

income taxes

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5355374476580235299"]America Freedom to Fascism[/ame]

[Only-virgins]

Where is my free health insurance?

[ecojeanne]

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023&hl=en"]Theft By Deception - Deciphering The Federal Income Tax[/ame]

[ecojeanne]

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531&hl=en"]FIAT EMPIRE - Why the Federal Reserve Violates the U.S. Constitution[/ame]

[Mish]

imagine if you didn't have to pay taxes

I imagine I would have to spend more money on private hospitals, private fire brigades, private road construction companies to look after roads I use, private traffic authority to look after street lights and their maintenance, private companies to look after my city's infrastructure and most likely I'd have to stock up on weapons and security guards to protect me since there would be no police because there would be no tax money to fund them.



I think I'd rather pay my taxes.

[ecojeanne]

mish in the heading i meant to include the word 'income'. people pay other taxes to fund public services through spending (i.e indirect taxes).

[Mish]

mish in the heading i meant to include the word 'income'. people pay other taxes to fund public services through spending (i.e indirect taxes).

What do other taxes cover and how much funding do they generate for public services? Also how much funding would be cut from all public services if income taxes were suddenly canceled?

[ecojeanne]

What do other taxes cover and how much funding do they generate for public services? Also how much funding would be cut from all public services if income taxes were suddenly canceled?

if you're interested, watch the videos

[Mish]

if you're interested, watch the videos

I can't, I'm at work

Can you post them here? Because I strongly believe there won't be much funding left once you do away with income tax.

[ecojeanne]

I can't, I'm at work

Can you post them here? Because I strongly believe there won't be much funding left once you do away with income tax.

ye i thought so too, i kinda still do if given back to the people by public services funded or created. there seems to be more to it in the USA anyway, i'm sure Australia is different. but as we both know the US has huge financial power over the rest of the world. it's not a hate video, but i personally wouldn't be able to explain it myself, the video's are much clearer

[Zilla80]

How would you intend to pay for government expenditures?

[ecojeanne]

ok, i personally don't propose not paying income tax. however from what those videos are saying aparently

1) the federal reserve is a private bank not a government agency

2) it is not the law to file income tax returns if a US citizen receiving income from domestic business - if foreign then one does, but otherwise no because it's unconstitutional. the first video gives and example of someone who was brought to court but was able to walk away from charges from the IRS because he insisted the IRS show the specific law; of which there is no law - the second video explains that in a lot of detail.

3) the federal reserve being a private bank takes the income tax

4) the federal reserve prints money and then lends it to congress with interest (for wars etc) and yet it aparently is printing this money from thin air (it supposed to be backed by gold but the reserve has not done this and over prints money and now has oil in us dollars...therefore us paper money is as good as gold...watch the video i prob didn't explain that properly)- this is why ron paul proposed shutting the federal reserve down -coz its aparently robbing the americans of their entitled money.

5) aparently public services are actually paid for through indirect taxes in the USA sufficiently

6) inflation is when the reserve bank prints more and more money ( over prints) and puts it into the system. therefore when the system see's there is more paper money out in the population then inflation increases - however wages have not usually increased therefore prices rise and people are therefore being taxed by the federal reserve (now i prob haven't explained that properly..its best to look at the video)

[ecojeanne]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8"]YouTube - Ron Paul on Federal Reserve, banking and economy[/ame]

[Mish]

2) it is not the law to file income tax returns if a US citizen receiving income from domestic business - if foreign then one does, but otherwise no because it's unconstitutional. the first video gives and example of someone who was brought to court but was able to walk away from charges from the IRS because he insisted the IRS show the specific law; of which there is no law - the second video explains that in a lot of detail.

I don't know, but I find this hard to believe. Mainly because:

Various individuals and groups have questioned the legitimacy of United States federal income tax. One such group argues that the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution was not approved by the requisite number of States,[32] and therefore never came into effect. The argument that the Sixteenth Amendment was "never ratified" has been rejected by the Internal Revenue Service and by the courts and ruled to be a frivolous argument

5) aparently public services are actually paid for through indirect taxes in the USA sufficiently

Can you post a credible link to this information? I remember reading that a high percentage of income tax spending goes towards Health and Human Services in US.

[IndiReloaded]

2) it is not the law to file income tax returns if a US citizen receiving income from domestic business - if foreign then one does, but otherwise no because it's unconstitutional. the first video gives and example of someone who was brought to court but was able to walk away from charges from the IRS because he insisted the IRS show the specific law; of which there is no law - the second video explains that in a lot of detail.

This is interesting. We have been requesting for several (unsuccessful) years now that the Canadian government show us where it says they can take tax from us on a quarterly basis. We keep being run around or just ignored when we ask. Its not published on their website either, we have looked.

We would prefer to pay one lump sum annually, obviously, b/c it would mean that WE have our money to invest & make interest on for the year instead of the government. Instead, we are *required* to pay in installments & are charged interest if we don't.