America, the new Rome?

[Junket]

A perfect representation of the Bush voter, Fras, and all he stands for. Good job.

Hey hey.

I'd like to have somethin' to bring down the man once he gets too oppressive.

You can never be too sure...or too safe...

[Tone]

I hate politics.

[bluesummer]

I don't like politics either, but I figure our liberal government needs another player on the team to fight off those damn conservatives and their archaic ideals........

[shh!]

I only hate politics when the government is conservative. :-D

But actually, what is to hate? They are a fact of life, just like the sun coming up in the morning.

[Innova]

True, but unlike the beauty of a sunrise/sunset...it does not change or manipulate. Although nobody can stop change, no more then they can breathe in space. As said, I think and believe it's more the manipulation aspect.

[shh!]

I could actually argue that the sun DOES manipulate people, but my heart just isn't in to it, and you might think I have missed your point.

I do wonder though, why the word "manipulate" has such a negative connotation. Really, it is only another way of saying "influence".

[Innova]

It has a negative connotation, because manipulating in todays world is often used for the wrong reason..and nobody can honestly say otherwise in the darker days this world has had. I'm not sure if thats what you was looking for, but I tried lol.

[IKnowEverything]

We free them from a tyrannical leader.

And put them in the hands of a tyrannical democracy.

You can't really believe we helped these people by killing them, whether it was accidental or not.

Democracy cannot be forced upon people.

EDIT: Y'know I always wondered when America will fall.

Could you explain to me how the United States government qualifies as a "tyrannical democracy?" Please, I'm very eager to hear your thoughtful insight.

However, if your response sounds anything like the rest of these leftist Michael Moorons here, do me a favor, and shut the **** up.

Thanks

[Innova]

Could you explain to me how the United States government qualifies as a "tyrannical democracy?" Please, I'm very eager to hear your thoughtful insight.

However, if your response sounds anything like the rest of these leftist Michael Moorons here, do me a favor, and shut the **** up.

Thanks

lol and yet you didn't give your response or explanation on the situation, which makes you look just as bad as what you are claming us to be.

[Junket]

Could you explain to me how the United States government qualifies as a "tyrannical democracy?" Please, I'm very eager to hear your thoughtful insight.

No no, sir.

You're eager to critisize my opinion.

You coulda just said that.

I'll do you the pleasure anyway.

Democracy goes to non democratic country and forcefully removes present government and forces it's "democracy" upon the people.

Regardless if they want it or not.

Democracy refuses to leave until the "democratic" government is stable enough to survive without the intruder's presence.

If the occupied country begins to sway towards a non democratic government the occupiers will do all in their power to prevent it.

By the people, for the people right?

Alright so show me what you got.

[Innova]

Agreed lol. Although im happy Saddam is outta the way. This war was nothing more then Bush fighting his dad's war to the extreme, only using 9/11 as his scape goat. Bush has fliped floped his way around everything, and more and more people are finally realising that this was nothing more then BS. As we go more and more in debt, more and more are dying over there. You tell me the advantage to any of this...please, i'd like to see it lol.

And if people think this has nothing to do with oil, needs serious help lol.

[shh!]

However, if your response sounds anything like the rest of these leftist Michael Moorons here, do me a favor, and shut the **** up.

Thanks

I prefer "liberal pinko commie", thanks...

[IKnowEverything]

Regardless if they want it or not.

Just like I figured, another Michael Mooron. You guys are great dismissing facts and blowing things way out of context. To your surprise (not mine, because I'm not a ****ing idiot), most Iraqis would rather have us STAY then leave. [url]http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8403994/[/url]

If the occupied country begins to sway towards a non democratic government the occupiers will do all in their power to prevent it.

No, that's what Saddam did. Dipshit.

Unlike him, however, we're not rigging the elections...or gassing a collection of individuals who disagree with us.


So, what's your plan then? We cut and run? Because that's what someone who ISN'T "tyrannical" does, right? Speaking of that, you still have failed to demonstrate how Bush is an evil-no-good-tyrant. Grrr...he's bad!

Here's the dictionary.com definition for "tyrant" (since you're just loosely throwing it around, I thought I'd take the time to actually show you what it means).
An absolute ruler who governs without restrictions.
A ruler who exercises power in a harsh, cruel manner.
An oppressive, harsh, arbitrary person.

Wow! The last time I checked, the democracy we've been instilling in Iraq (thanks for supporting our country's efforts, by the way - you're a true patriot) doesn't adhere to any of those qualifications under the root word "tyranny."

K, Thanks!

[IKnowEverything]

You tell me the advantage to any of this...

Let's flip this question around, okay?

Tell me how having a stable middle-east would NOT be advantageous?

Do you know how counter-terrorism works, Innova? Well, first, you have to find the suspects...then you kill them. Terrorists live in Aghanistan as well as Iraq. They attacked us, now we attack them.

In order to stop terrorism, you must destroy every last one of the terrorists. It seems simple, right? Then why do you liberals have trouble grasping such a concept? This bullshit that we should pull out of Iraq and give in is what the terrorists hope for...AND YOU GUYS ARE HELPING the terrorists out! Yes, that is correct! Obviously you don't wish for such a thing, but inadvertently, it is exactly what is happening.

Appeasement does not work. It has never worked. You cannot reason with these barbaric muslim savages! The USS COLE, the 1993 WTC bombings, the US Embassy in africa, and ****ING 9/11!
...and guess what...there hasn't been an attack on American soil since. Because they know that if they **** WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THEY WILL DIE LIKE THE RAT COWARDS THEY ARE!

I applaud Great Britain, by the way, for staying the course and not giving up. One of my good friends is a currently a Marine Sniper stationed in Iraq with 63 confirmed kills. SIXTY THREE! He had about twenty of those kills back in Afghanistan taking out Al Qaeda guardsmen. I pray every night he makes it out of there alive (though I am not religious, the fact that I cannot do anything for him succumbs me to such whims).
*Do you want to know what he wishes more than anything?* He wishes that the citizens of the United States would support what he's doing over there, and not condemn him by saying he's not serving a "noble" cause. Folks, every single soldier I have ever met has told me this. As long as BOOTS ARE ON THE GROUND and young men are dying over there, shut your ****ing mouths!

You can say all you want after the war (which will be a success), but my friend is over there risking his life right now for what he believes in! Most of them are, for Chrits's sake! That's why they joined! To support our country no matter what!

There's an old saying that is embroidered proudly on a certain flag in mind...it reads "DON'T TREAD ON ME". None of you will know it because I'm guessing, by your points of view, you're ignorant to United States military history. It's the Navy Jack. A flag yielded by the U.S. Navy, which is always present on every major battleship. It's a picture of a rattlesnake coiled in the attack-ready position. Our country's founders, whom designed the flag, would be greatly disappointed if we had ever disgraced its meaning. We fight to the death, and shall never give up. Don't tread on me, or you'll regret it. . . . . .

......the United States of America has answered.



And for those who actually give a shit, support our snipers (their job is incredibly effective) by checking out this site and donating [url]www.americansniper.org[/url]

Longwinded, I apologize.

Thanks guys

[Lloyd95]

In order to stop terrorism, you must destroy every last one of the terrorists. It seems simple, right? Then why do you liberals have trouble grasping such a concept?

Ah, we "liberals" have trouble grasping the "concept" because it's going to be near impossible and a lot more involved then just going in to Iraq and restructuring their government.

These terrorists are all over, including the US and it's not about overtaking one Arab country. Lest you forget, the War on Iraq was initiated because of WMD. What a freakin joke. Our government has admitted that there weren't any (which is all but saying our government lied to all of us). George W. and his cronies then spun it as "freeing the Iraqi people". Great. Now their women can vote. And if they vote for the wrong government (read: a governing body that W. doesn't want), we'll dismantle that one as well.

Well, I guess it's worth hundreds of billions of our dollars and thousands of our soldiers lives so their women can vote. We can just priint more money then we'll be back to a surplus like Clinton left us in, right? C'mon, get your head out of your ass. We're in a huge deficit that will take years to get out of, our economy blows, we lost credibilty with our Allies around the globe. If you think this was anything but an ego trip for W. and oil, you're sadly mistaken.

Oh, and this is not to say I don't support our country or our troops, I do. I just don't support the way our government is leading us in the last 4 years or so.

there. Off my soapbox.