China threatens US with nuclear weapons

[Tone]

[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1695360,00.html[/url]

CHINA is willing to use nuclear weapons against the United States if it is attacked in a conflict over Taiwan, a senior Chinese military official said last night.
“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China’s territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” Zhu Chenghu, a major general in the People’s Liberation Army, said at an official press briefing for foreign journalists.



General Zhu, a well-known hawk who has said before that China could strike the US with long-ranged missiles, said his comments were “my assessment”, and not the “policy of the Government”.

Nevertheless, his threat, in which he emphasised that China’s definition of its territories included warships and aircraft, is the first time for a decade that a senior official in Beijing has used such provocative rhetoric.

General Zhu, a professor at the National Defence University in China, added: “If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond.

“We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.”

Rick Fisher, a former US congressional official and an authority on the Chinese military, said the specific nature of the threat was “a new addition to China’s public discourse”.

Although General Zhu is not formally engaged with policy-making, his comments come at a sensitive time for relations between Washington and Beijing on a range of issues, including Taiwan and trade.

This week congressional hearings in Washington over the intentions of the Chinese oil company Cnooc Ltd to buy Unocal Corporation have featured strong anti-Chinese comments on Capitol Hill.

Statements such as General Zhu’s “have sort of sown the seeds in Washington that the Chinese are not just a threat, they’re a real danger”, John Tkacik, a China specialist at the conservative Heritage Foundation, told the Asian Wall Street Journal.

Mr Tkacik said General Zhu’s comments may have been intended as a kind of “psychological warfare” to underscore China’s resolve, but that they were likely to backfire in Washington.

Taiwan has enjoyed nominal independence since 1949, but Beijing claims Taiwan as part of China. General Zhu described Taiwanese independence as “a cancer” that could spread.

China’s official doctrine has called for no first use of nuclear weapons since its first atomic test in 1964.

[Innova]

They would be real fools to even think of such a thing, anyone that sets up a nuclear bomb, is going to kick set a war that would destroy humanity. At any rate, I would be real surprised if that nuke even reached half way across the pacific, we have some of the most sophisticated anti-aircraft/missile technology in the world. I do agree however with what Mr. Tkacik said, I believe this is more psychological to keep everyone on their toes.

[misombra]

i smell a cold war coming on...

[Nurseman]

I'm not sweating this. The article is just quoting one guy. He could just be some blow-hard with an attitude. I'll bet you I can find some General here in the US with just the opposite opinion.

China's power is in her economy. THAT'S what we have to watch out for. In large part the US national debt is financed by the Chinese. If they want to use that for leverage, they can become quite the 800 lb gorilla.

On the other hand, have you ever notived there seems to be a Chinese restaurant of every corner? I tell you, just one word from Peking and swarms of Special Forces Solders, who have been under cover for years as cooks will be in the streets, armed with woks and Duck Sauce. We will be overun within minutes.

[tooxshort]

nurseman's got a point ... there's a whole lot of chinese people in the US ... everywhere ... how many americans are in china? not many in comparison to their population ...

U.S. might be better off minding its own business and focusing on shit goin' on over HERE ...

[Junket]

Yeah man, I say we stop policing the world.

[Only-virgins]

So basically they say they will shoot at us if we shoot at them. I find absolutly nothing wrong with that..all though I know americans are full of themselves and think they should own the world so no one will agree.

[Illusional]

dammit, i know there are a lot of chinese people here on these forums in general.

raverboy

[Chlorine]

This thread is irresistable.

Nurseman----Hahhaha. I can picture it now. Every waiter is a wushu expert. Chinese ties run deep and far. Loyalty stretches between friend/family/brother 10X removed. Promises made by one's father's brother's friend must be honoured. Yup, one word from Beijing and it'll set off a chain reaction.

[Tone]

[url]http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313[/url]

Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets
Captured documents, terrorists reveal bin Laden's preferred dates, places for 'American Hiroshima'

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Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents.

As first revealed last week in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents.

The series of attacks is designed to kill 4 million, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.

At least two fully assembled and operational nuclear weapons are believed to be hidden in the United States already, according to G2 Bulletin intelligence sources and an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams.

The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership.

Bin Laden's goal, according to G2 Bulletin sources, is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are Aug. 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, Sept. 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948. No specific year has been suggested, however, this Aug. 6 represents the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack.

The captured terrorists and documents also suggest smaller attacks may take place on American soil before the nuclear incidents. They may include some involving automatic weapons at schools and shopping malls, but will not include any airplane hijackings. Why? Because bin Laden does not want any failed efforts to overshadow "the success of Sept. 11." There will also not be any attacks on U.S. nuclear power plants. The rationale? The nuclear power plants can act as force multipliers when the weapons of mass destruction are detonated.

Another requirement dictated from the top at al-Qaida is that the attacks take place in daylight, so that the whole world will be able to see the images of a mushroom cloud over an American city.

One of the sources for the information is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, who is now in U.S. custody.

As previously reported by G2 Bulletin, al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

U.S. military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces "Spetznaz" troops to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons planted in the U.S. during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years. Al-Qaida sources indicate they would prefer to use Russian-made weapons for symbolic reasons.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

[Innova]

You realise for the last 20 years, we have tipped on the lines of world war 3...crazy stuff. As psychological this might be right now, I fear for a lot over the next couple of decades.

America's economy is iffy, trillions in debt. We lose allies every month, terriorsts from several middle eastern counties revolting from underground, and korea is on a rise of arms. and as nurseman said

"China's power is in her economy. THAT'S what we have to watch out for. In large part the US national debt is financed by the Chinese. If they want to use that for leverage, they can become quite the 800 lb gorilla."

How feckin fun can ya get...

IM MOVING TO CANADA! rofl...

[Tone]

I don't think they have the man-power (Al Quaida) to pull something like that off, more than likely just more scare tactics.

[Illusional]

while innova moves to canada, let me pack my bags for japan. sorry nomas.. i don't want to take that trip to vegas because i'm leaving for japan asap.

raverboy

[inkeepingsecret]

holy shit, that article is depressing

[Junket]

Vote me president so I can fix this shit.